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US perspective. This is a surprising win for an incumbent party. Whenever I look at basic life issues in Canada I'm blown away. Somehow salaries for engineers

by bko 1y ago

US perspective. This is a surprising win for an incumbent party. Whenever I look at basic life issues in Canada I'm blown away. Somehow salaries for engineers are about half what they are in the US, but real estate prices are comparable in large cities. And nation wide the national come price is 678k compared to around 420k in US. Who does this work for? The liberals have moderated a bit. I remember seeing an ad saying that if elected they would remove trade barriers between Canadian provinces, which is pretty crazy that they exist in the first place. Free trade within your borders should be the starting ante for a country Finally, there was the increase in immigration which no one really seemed to ask for, that they're also pulling back now due to backlash. Anyway, I don't really see the tide stemming but who knows. I can't remember a time in the US where an incumbent party has won on so many negatives.

canucker2016 1y ago
When Carney became a candidate for the Liberal Party leader, he seemed to mimic most of the Conservative talking points, i.e. get rid of carbon tax, etc. But the 51st state/tariff talk from the south overrode whatever problems Canadians seemed to bitch about daily in 2024. The immigration increase was a surprise for most Canadians - increase immigration by 4x without corresponding increase in support costs???
incomingpain 1y ago
>This is a surprising win for an incumbent party. Extremely rare and improbable. It took the left wing of Canada to intentionally sabotage themselves and shift politics to the right. A bizarre choice with no benefit to themselves. Canada is no longer left wing I guess? >Whenever I look at basic life issues in Canada I'm blown away. Somehow salaries for engineers are about half what they are in the US, but real estate prices are comparable in large cities. And nation wide the national come price is 678k compared to around 420k in US. Who does this work for? Senior IT positions are more like 3x the salary in the USA. Housing is much worse than that. Shack in Canada, Mansion in the USA for the same pricing. Housing supply is greatly reduced by governments, housing demand is greatly increased by the federal government. >The liberals have moderated a bit. I remember seeing an ad saying that if elected they would remove trade barriers between Canadian provinces, which is pretty crazy that they exist in the first place. Free trade within your borders should be the starting ante for a country Mulroney, Chretien, and Harper had significant majority governments who attempted multiple times to remove those trade barriers. there's a 0% chance Carney will be able to remove these barriers. In fact I predict more trade barriers will be going up soon. It's not typically a huge problem because Canada is ridiculously wide. We are 2 hours from the USA for trade; but multiple days away from trading interprovincially. So we traditionally just trade with the usa, but TRUMP. >Finally, there was the increase in immigration which no one really seemed to ask for, that they're also pulling back now due to backlash. Basically didnt even come up in the election. It was one of the censored subjects. >Anyway, I don't really see the tide stemming but who knows. I can't remember a time in the US where an incumbent party has won on so many negatives. Consider the media. The incumbents gives billions of $ to the media who write puff pieces. China interfered in our election to benefit the liberals. The state media wrote "Carney being targeted by china" but that is to say Carney was being targeted with SUPPORT.
- rchaud 1y ago
  > China interfered in our election to benefit the liberals. That was your takeaway: China did it? Liberals were projected to lose more than 100 seats nationally as late as February 2025. You can't think of any other major foreign figure that tried to insert himself into the conversation and thereby swing the election?
snapplebobapple 1y ago
You have to look at all the parties and how they traditionally align to understand what happened. We have two very far left parties (green and NDP),a fairly far left party (Liberals) that is historically closer to center left a center right party (conservatives) and in quebec a quebec nationalist party (bloc). What we had this election was a massive move to center right with a big upswing in conservative votes and at the same time we had an utter collapse of the far left NDP and green party vote which mostly went liberal and a softening of support for bloc in Quebec that mostly went liberal. So the conservatives captured a percent of the popular vote that would have been a staggering majority at any other time and still lost because the concentration of the very far left vote into the liberals overwhelmed it. I would also say the liberals have not moderated a bit, they just said and did some disingenuous things to trick people into thinking this guy was more like Chretien, when his books read like the green party mixed with greed. Time will tell if this view proves correct or not.

by bko 1y ago

canucker2016 1y ago

When Carney became a candidate for the Liberal Party leader, he seemed to mimic most of the Conservative talking points, i.e. get rid of carbon tax, etc. But the 51st state/tariff talk from the south overrode whatever problems Canadians seemed to bitch about daily in 2024. The immigration increase was a surprise for most Canadians - increase immigration by 4x without corresponding increase in support costs???

incomingpain 1y ago

>This is a surprising win for an incumbent party. Extremely rare and improbable. It took the left wing of Canada to intentionally sabotage themselves and shift politics to the right. A bizarre choice with no benefit to themselves. Canada is no longer left wing I guess? >Whenever I look at basic life issues in Canada I'm blown away. Somehow salaries for engineers are about half what they are in the US, but real estate prices are comparable in large cities. And nation wide the national come price is 678k compared to around 420k in US. Who does this work for? Senior IT positions are more like 3x the salary in the USA. Housing is much worse than that. Shack in Canada, Mansion in the USA for the same pricing. Housing supply is greatly reduced by governments, housing demand is greatly increased by the federal government. >The liberals have moderated a bit. I remember seeing an ad saying that if elected they would remove trade barriers between Canadian provinces, which is pretty crazy that they exist in the first place. Free trade within your borders should be the starting ante for a country Mulroney, Chretien, and Harper had significant majority governments who attempted multiple times to remove those trade barriers. there's a 0% chance Carney will be able to remove these barriers. In fact I predict more trade barriers will be going up soon. It's not typically a huge problem because Canada is ridiculously wide. We are 2 hours from the USA for trade; but multiple days away from trading interprovincially. So we traditionally just trade with the usa, but TRUMP. >Finally, there was the increase in immigration which no one really seemed to ask for, that they're also pulling back now due to backlash. Basically didnt even come up in the election. It was one of the censored subjects. >Anyway, I don't really see the tide stemming but who knows. I can't remember a time in the US where an incumbent party has won on so many negatives. Consider the media. The incumbents gives billions of $ to the media who write puff pieces. China interfered in our election to benefit the liberals. The state media wrote "Carney being targeted by china" but that is to say Carney was being targeted with SUPPORT.

rchaud 1y ago
> China interfered in our election to benefit the liberals. That was your takeaway: China did it? Liberals were projected to lose more than 100 seats nationally as late as February 2025. You can't think of any other major foreign figure that tried to insert himself into the conversation and thereby swing the election?

snapplebobapple 1y ago

You have to look at all the parties and how they traditionally align to understand what happened. We have two very far left parties (green and NDP),a fairly far left party (Liberals) that is historically closer to center left a center right party (conservatives) and in quebec a quebec nationalist party (bloc). What we had this election was a massive move to center right with a big upswing in conservative votes and at the same time we had an utter collapse of the far left NDP and green party vote which mostly went liberal and a softening of support for bloc in Quebec that mostly went liberal. So the conservatives captured a percent of the popular vote that would have been a staggering majority at any other time and still lost because the concentration of the very far left vote into the liberals overwhelmed it. I would also say the liberals have not moderated a bit, they just said and did some disingenuous things to trick people into thinking this guy was more like Chretien, when his books read like the green party mixed with greed. Time will tell if this view proves correct or not.