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Thanks non-people-smart 10%, the "right" it's only trying to not close the remaining nuclear plants. I didn't hear anybody call to burn more coal (that will be

by Buxato 1y ago

Thanks non-people-smart 10%, the "right" it's only trying to not close the remaining nuclear plants. I didn't hear anybody call to burn more coal (that will be stupid, specially in Spain). New modern nuclear plants are needed to have a more balanced energy pool, and not depend so much in natural gas. Anyway there is no confirmation yet on what happened, we will see.

mr_mitm 1y ago
Well, here is one person who even has somewhat of an influence calling to burn more coal: https://www.npr.org/2025/04/16/nx-s1-5359013/trump-orders-coal-revival-market-favors-natural-gas https://www.npr.org/2025/04/16/nx-s1-5359013/trump-orders-co...
- verzali 1y ago
  Trump is not president of Spain.
  - mr_mitm 1y ago
    Thanks, I know. At which point in this comment chain were we discussing the president of Spain though? Buxato stated they didn't hear "anybody", not "anybody in Spain".
  - ignoramous 1y ago
    Not yet... did lose in Canada though.
ta1243 1y ago
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/f4476083e9854ba3 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/f4476083e9854ba3 Richard Tice, the Reform party’s deputy leader and energy spokesman, said the events in Spain should be a warning to Britain and showed the risks of net zero. He said: “We need to know the exact causes but this should be seen as a wake-up call to the eco-zealots. “Power grids need to operate within tight parameters to remain stable. Wind and solar outputs by contrast, vary hugely over long and short periods so they add risk to the system. The UK’s grid operators and our Government should take heed.” That's the same Richard Tice that blamed a substation fire on Net Zero and wants to tax renewable power to subsidise non-renewables. A roundup of people jumping to conclusions is at https://reneweconomy.com.au/spains-blackout-has-already-triggered-a-firestorm-of-disinformation/ https://reneweconomy.com.au/spains-blackout-has-already-trig... > The core priority of grid services right now is getting power restored, rather than establishing the narrow chain of causal events, which will take weeks or likely months. That will be more than enough time for the narrative to be set in stone; immune to whatever reality emerges from careful investigation.
anthk 1y ago
>Specially in Spain Wait until you find Spain it's the 2nd most mountainous region in Europe. Hint: anything non-coast can have dry summers and cold winters, brutal in the mountain regions such as Asturias and Leon, were they burnt coal like crazy, and having temperatures below 0 was and it's still the norm, not the exception. And not just the south of Cantabria, Asturias and so; the Castilles, Aragon and the mountain regions can amaze tourist as if they were phonied expecting a 'sunny' Spain like the beaches. Mostly humid and foggy panoramas with mountains; and hot and dry summers in the Castilles; but it's like Ohio and the inner USA: you have extremes in both sides. Scorching sun and crazy cold winters, and yet the corn -wheat in Spain- raises like nothing. So, one valid approach for one region can be void for another one. You can't except to set a global energy policy that works everywhere. Kinda like the US; not everything it's like Texas or Florida. And, yes, we had tons of dams too near the Tagus and Duero rivers, they can produce tons of power too. Nowadays, well, I'm pro nuclear, coal was something obsolete since the 80's and 90's.
- vvillena 1y ago
  Coal in Spain was indeed phased out even before wind+solar was a thing. It was not economically viable against imported energy sources such as oil and gas.

by Buxato 1y ago

mr_mitm 1y ago

Well, here is one person who even has somewhat of an influence calling to burn more coal: https://www.npr.org/2025/04/16/nx-s1-5359013/trump-orders-coal-revival-market-favors-natural-gas https://www.npr.org/2025/04/16/nx-s1-5359013/trump-orders-co...

verzali 1y ago
Trump is not president of Spain.
- mr_mitm 1y ago
  Thanks, I know. At which point in this comment chain were we discussing the president of Spain though? Buxato stated they didn't hear "anybody", not "anybody in Spain".
- ignoramous 1y ago
  Not yet... did lose in Canada though.

ta1243 1y ago

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/f4476083e9854ba3 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/f4476083e9854ba3 Richard Tice, the Reform party’s deputy leader and energy spokesman, said the events in Spain should be a warning to Britain and showed the risks of net zero. He said: “We need to know the exact causes but this should be seen as a wake-up call to the eco-zealots. “Power grids need to operate within tight parameters to remain stable. Wind and solar outputs by contrast, vary hugely over long and short periods so they add risk to the system. The UK’s grid operators and our Government should take heed.” That's the same Richard Tice that blamed a substation fire on Net Zero and wants to tax renewable power to subsidise non-renewables. A roundup of people jumping to conclusions is at https://reneweconomy.com.au/spains-blackout-has-already-triggered-a-firestorm-of-disinformation/ https://reneweconomy.com.au/spains-blackout-has-already-trig... > The core priority of grid services right now is getting power restored, rather than establishing the narrow chain of causal events, which will take weeks or likely months. That will be more than enough time for the narrative to be set in stone; immune to whatever reality emerges from careful investigation.

anthk 1y ago

>Specially in Spain Wait until you find Spain it's the 2nd most mountainous region in Europe. Hint: anything non-coast can have dry summers and cold winters, brutal in the mountain regions such as Asturias and Leon, were they burnt coal like crazy, and having temperatures below 0 was and it's still the norm, not the exception. And not just the south of Cantabria, Asturias and so; the Castilles, Aragon and the mountain regions can amaze tourist as if they were phonied expecting a 'sunny' Spain like the beaches. Mostly humid and foggy panoramas with mountains; and hot and dry summers in the Castilles; but it's like Ohio and the inner USA: you have extremes in both sides. Scorching sun and crazy cold winters, and yet the corn -wheat in Spain- raises like nothing. So, one valid approach for one region can be void for another one. You can't except to set a global energy policy that works everywhere. Kinda like the US; not everything it's like Texas or Florida. And, yes, we had tons of dams too near the Tagus and Duero rivers, they can produce tons of power too. Nowadays, well, I'm pro nuclear, coal was something obsolete since the 80's and 90's.

vvillena 1y ago
Coal in Spain was indeed phased out even before wind+solar was a thing. It was not economically viable against imported energy sources such as oil and gas.