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Not sure why you are downvoted but this rings true to me.

by lifty 1y ago

moralestapia 1y ago
For about 2-3 years the default for people here has been to downvote everything rather than driving discussion; much more reddit-esque than what it used to be. There are no other sites like this one to jump to, unfortunately. On-topic: Wind power brings in about 20% of Spain's electricity, and that one fluctuates a lot indeed. I hope they put out a detailed post-mortem, I'd be an enjoyable read.
- moralestapia 1y ago
  Exhibit A: this comment. Some even borrowed the essence of it, posted it elsewhere and still downvoted, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
rdtsc 1y ago
Just like there is vibe coding, this is vibe downvoting: “they are probably right, but kinda feels like they are dissing renewables, and I like renewables, better downvote just in case”
- pjc50 1y ago
  You're right, but: the renewables "debate" is a massive tar-pit of bad faith arguments. People are tired of rehashing that. The best solution is not to slow the rollout of renewables but to accelerate the rollout of battery storage. (also we're a bit early for a proper postmortem, but that's an inevitable reality of social media, got to get the talking points in before the facts)
  - rdtsc 1y ago
    > The best solution is not to slow the rollout of renewables but to accelerate the rollout of battery storage. I agree as well. And I think the gp (or the ggp?) post noticed that there is a lack of "spinning mass" to do frequency damping would have agreed as well. They could be merely suggesting to add just spinning mass synchronizers. These could be independent units, doing just that or maybe even convert some old power plants: "just" decouple the turbine from the generator.
  - gizmo686 1y ago
    The specific issue identified by the parent would not be helped by batteries. Like solar panels, batteries output DC voltage, and have no inertia on the AC side. The solution in either case is the same. Put enough smarts in the inverter for it to have "synthetic inertia". If we didn't have the ability to do something like that in inverters, the solution would be something like flywheels to augment the chemical batteries.

Not sure why you are downvoted but this rings true to me.

by lifty 1y ago

Not sure why you are downvoted but this rings true to me.

For about 2-3 years the default for people here has been to downvote everything rather than driving discussion; much more reddit-esque than what it used to be. There are no other sites like this one to jump to, unfortunately. On-topic: Wind power brings in about 20% of Spain's electricity, and that one fluctuates a lot indeed. I hope they put out a detailed post-mortem, I'd be an enjoyable read.

moralestapia 1y ago
Exhibit A: this comment. Some even borrowed the essence of it, posted it elsewhere and still downvoted, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

rdtsc 1y ago

Just like there is vibe coding, this is vibe downvoting: “they are probably right, but kinda feels like they are dissing renewables, and I like renewables, better downvote just in case”

pjc50 1y ago
You're right, but: the renewables "debate" is a massive tar-pit of bad faith arguments. People are tired of rehashing that. The best solution is not to slow the rollout of renewables but to accelerate the rollout of battery storage. (also we're a bit early for a proper postmortem, but that's an inevitable reality of social media, got to get the talking points in before the facts)
- rdtsc 1y ago
  > The best solution is not to slow the rollout of renewables but to accelerate the rollout of battery storage. I agree as well. And I think the gp (or the ggp?) post noticed that there is a lack of "spinning mass" to do frequency damping would have agreed as well. They could be merely suggesting to add just spinning mass synchronizers. These could be independent units, doing just that or maybe even convert some old power plants: "just" decouple the turbine from the generator.
- gizmo686 1y ago
  The specific issue identified by the parent would not be helped by batteries. Like solar panels, batteries output DC voltage, and have no inertia on the AC side. The solution in either case is the same. Put enough smarts in the inverter for it to have "synthetic inertia". If we didn't have the ability to do something like that in inverters, the solution would be something like flywheels to augment the chemical batteries.