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I have never had a windows computer that was able to do any sort of sleep without crashing, either in the sleep mode or randomly a time after waking up. First t

by Moru 1y ago

I have never had a windows computer that was able to do any sort of sleep without crashing, either in the sleep mode or randomly a time after waking up. First thing I do is disable it, I have lost enough time trying to find the cause of it and the crashes usually stop if I don't use sleep modes. Most of my computers and friends computers have been ASUS though, maybe that is a connection. (Windows user since 3.11 but I don't think those had sleep modes :-)

wsc981 1y ago
I believe Asus used to produce MacBook's for a long time (probably not anymore, but I'm quite sure about the white G3 / G4 MacBooks - and sleep always worked fine on those machines. It can't just be the hardware, I think.
p_ing 1y ago
ACPI implementations have been terrible for a very long time, ASUS is no exception. This is where a good portion of sleep-related issues stem from. The other side is garbage drivers. I have a joystick from Virpil, which has it's own drivers (extensible configuration) that prevented sleep. That said, if I remove the joystick from the picture, my ASUS-based Am4 system sleeps just fine.
- anonymars 1y ago
  It might be due to phantom/imperceptible input. I have this with a bunch of similar flight sim peripherals. I ended up getting one of those USB hubs with switches to disable the ports. That was a saga in itself: it had a firmware issue where 3 of the 7 ports didn't work right. Apparently it's two 4-port hubs in a trenchcoat. They had a firmware update but apparently it had a virus in the loader app so they pulled it, you needed to contact support to get the new firmware. Their support insisted on sending me a replacement hub instead, which of course didn't work. And then a second time, I'm pretty sure, and only then did they send me a new firmware update which solved the issue. Well. Anyway. Those hubs are theoretically good so you can avoid the wear on the USB connectors. But I guess the theme of bad QA is a common one. This wasn't an Amazon alphabet soup brand Chinese special, either.
  - anonymars 1y ago
    My absolute favorite, though, is my monitor. Alienware OLED. But their stupid app, which installs itself automatically thanks to that well-thought-through Windows feature nowadays despite my removing it -- if that's installed, the monitor won't go to sleep. Which is really great for an OLED monitor. That one, it seems if I disable the "software device" in device manager, it stops installing itself. But how do you release and force install a companion app for a monitor that will burn it out? It comes with a 3-year warranty that covers OLED burn-in...
    - cornholio 1y ago
      Is it displaying some low luminosity logo or the time of day? I think this is common on OLED mobile devices and does not actually deplete the screen. Unlike led backlight, where the pixels need to actively fight the illumination source that slowly ages just to display a black screen, in OLED as long as the pixel is not lit to a significant level it will not deplete that pixel. Displaying full black is "free" even if the monitor is turned on, and keeping power on in solid state electronics is generally better than thermal cycling a dozen times per day. Still, it's a feature I will definitely turn off first thing; off means off, if I want "full black on" I will set a black screensaver.
      - anonymars 1y ago
        Nope, just the monitor not going to sleep, cheerfully beaming the lock screen at full bore to an empty room. Sheer madness. Some threads: https://www.dell.com/community/en/conversations/alienware-desktops/aw3420dw-will-not-stay-asleep/647f8672f4ccf8a8de57b9e8 https://www.dell.com/community/en/conversations/alienware-de... https://www.dell.com/community/en/conversations/alienware-desktops/awccservice-preventing-my-monitor-from-sleeping/647f9e9bf4ccf8a8de338041 https://www.dell.com/community/en/conversations/alienware-de... https://www.dell.com/community/en/conversations/alienware-desktops/aw3423dwf-awcc-preventing-sleep/659d86211a28930dacc18357 https://www.dell.com/community/en/conversations/alienware-de... https://www.reddit.com/r/Alienware/comments/s8m4yx/alienware_command_center_automatically_installs/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Alienware/comments/s8m4yx/alienware... https://www.reddit.com/r/Alienware/comments/uon0kq/alienware_command_center_causes_that_your_monitor/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Alienware/comments/uon0kq/alienware... Also worth noting that the helpless suggestions to "why, just turn the monitor off" would prevent the OLED maintenance from running (since that runs automatically when the monitor goes to sleep)

by Moru 1y ago

wsc981 1y ago

I believe Asus used to produce MacBook's for a long time (probably not anymore, but I'm quite sure about the white G3 / G4 MacBooks - and sleep always worked fine on those machines. It can't just be the hardware, I think.

p_ing 1y ago

ACPI implementations have been terrible for a very long time, ASUS is no exception. This is where a good portion of sleep-related issues stem from. The other side is garbage drivers. I have a joystick from Virpil, which has it's own drivers (extensible configuration) that prevented sleep. That said, if I remove the joystick from the picture, my ASUS-based Am4 system sleeps just fine.

anonymars 1y ago
It might be due to phantom/imperceptible input. I have this with a bunch of similar flight sim peripherals. I ended up getting one of those USB hubs with switches to disable the ports. That was a saga in itself: it had a firmware issue where 3 of the 7 ports didn't work right. Apparently it's two 4-port hubs in a trenchcoat. They had a firmware update but apparently it had a virus in the loader app so they pulled it, you needed to contact support to get the new firmware. Their support insisted on sending me a replacement hub instead, which of course didn't work. And then a second time, I'm pretty sure, and only then did they send me a new firmware update which solved the issue. Well. Anyway. Those hubs are theoretically good so you can avoid the wear on the USB connectors. But I guess the theme of bad QA is a common one. This wasn't an Amazon alphabet soup brand Chinese special, either.
- anonymars 1y ago
  My absolute favorite, though, is my monitor. Alienware OLED. But their stupid app, which installs itself automatically thanks to that well-thought-through Windows feature nowadays despite my removing it -- if that's installed, the monitor won't go to sleep. Which is really great for an OLED monitor. That one, it seems if I disable the "software device" in device manager, it stops installing itself. But how do you release and force install a companion app for a monitor that will burn it out? It comes with a 3-year warranty that covers OLED burn-in...
  - cornholio 1y ago
    Is it displaying some low luminosity logo or the time of day? I think this is common on OLED mobile devices and does not actually deplete the screen. Unlike led backlight, where the pixels need to actively fight the illumination source that slowly ages just to display a black screen, in OLED as long as the pixel is not lit to a significant level it will not deplete that pixel. Displaying full black is "free" even if the monitor is turned on, and keeping power on in solid state electronics is generally better than thermal cycling a dozen times per day. Still, it's a feature I will definitely turn off first thing; off means off, if I want "full black on" I will set a black screensaver.
    - anonymars 1y ago
      Nope, just the monitor not going to sleep, cheerfully beaming the lock screen at full bore to an empty room. Sheer madness. Some threads: https://www.dell.com/community/en/conversations/alienware-desktops/aw3420dw-will-not-stay-asleep/647f8672f4ccf8a8de57b9e8 https://www.dell.com/community/en/conversations/alienware-de... https://www.dell.com/community/en/conversations/alienware-desktops/awccservice-preventing-my-monitor-from-sleeping/647f9e9bf4ccf8a8de338041 https://www.dell.com/community/en/conversations/alienware-de... https://www.dell.com/community/en/conversations/alienware-desktops/aw3423dwf-awcc-preventing-sleep/659d86211a28930dacc18357 https://www.dell.com/community/en/conversations/alienware-de... https://www.reddit.com/r/Alienware/comments/s8m4yx/alienware_command_center_automatically_installs/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Alienware/comments/s8m4yx/alienware... https://www.reddit.com/r/Alienware/comments/uon0kq/alienware_command_center_causes_that_your_monitor/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Alienware/comments/uon0kq/alienware... Also worth noting that the helpless suggestions to "why, just turn the monitor off" would prevent the OLED maintenance from running (since that runs automatically when the monitor goes to sleep)