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This, but also it's so long ago and old, not current or a previous current gen system. The wii was discontinued october 2013, and released November 2006. Effie

This, but also it's so long ago and old, not current or a previous current gen system. The wii was discontinued october 2013, and released November 2006. Effiectively its 12-19 years old now, for me, while I understand it also kinda falls under "who cares" because homebrew always was always somewhat equal to piracy.

karlgkk 1y ago
> homebrew always was always somewhat equal to piracy. FWIW the price performance ratio of older consoles was better than what you get today. It was impossible to find a high definition video player for under $1000, except for the Xbox. People were more motivated to do real, non-piracy homebrew. Today, you can buy a raspberry pie for $40. I think that must have something to do with the fading of homebrew.
- 2mlWQbCK 1y ago
  I installed Homebrew Channel and got all our Wii games ripped to a USB stick. That was far easier and cheaper than to replace the failing DVD player in the Wii. Now the kids can still play all our old Wii games when they want to (not that often to be honest). I have resisted the temptation to sail the seas to expand our game collection beyond the games we already owned.
  - lastdong 1y ago
    This. You can get all original Wii games in the used market for little money and this gives you the flexibility to play backups of your original games without loading and unloading discs, faster load times, etc. I understand piracy is the number one goto, but not all sums up to that.
- TuxSH 1y ago
  > People were more motivated to do real, non-piracy homebrew. Gimmicks and ease-of-hacking also matter IMO. With the Switch, I believe we are seeing the "threat model" (from Nintendo's PoV) shift from on-device hacking to emulation, which is far more scalable and resilient to vuln fixes (system only needs to be hacked "once" to get crypto secrets and to dump code). This enables large-scale piracy and high financial stakes, see the ToTK debacle. On the other hand, there's no (?) handheld system with 3D like the 3DS; and playing DS/3DS games on emulator feels a bit awkward. The only thing I'm using my hacked Switch 1 is to dump/restore save files. Thanks to cloud saves and local save transfer, my other Switch units don't need to be hacked.
chungy 1y ago
Nintendo would[1] take all legal measures possible to shut down projects that allow using their hardware in methods they do not approve of. Homebrew Channel isn't new, it's nearly as old as the Wii itself. Nintendo would have had every motivation to go after them for all they're worth, if there was a valid legal claim against Homebrew Channel. Unfortunately for Nintendo, reverse-engineering a console to run code the first party has not authorized is not actually a violation of any law. Nintendo surely was grumpy at them, but they had no leg to stand on. [1] And still does, see their takedown of yuzu, who was openly allowing and encouraging Switch piracy in the Discord server.
mid-kid 1y ago
> homebrew always was always somewhat equal to piracy I can't speak for everyone but personally I find there's a moral imperative in making sure that we can actually own the devices we buy. Comments and sentiments like these needlessly devalue the work being done to achieve this, and is part of why the broader homebrew community is bitter about it.

karlgkk 1y ago

> homebrew always was always somewhat equal to piracy. FWIW the price performance ratio of older consoles was better than what you get today. It was impossible to find a high definition video player for under $1000, except for the Xbox. People were more motivated to do real, non-piracy homebrew. Today, you can buy a raspberry pie for $40. I think that must have something to do with the fading of homebrew.

2mlWQbCK 1y ago
I installed Homebrew Channel and got all our Wii games ripped to a USB stick. That was far easier and cheaper than to replace the failing DVD player in the Wii. Now the kids can still play all our old Wii games when they want to (not that often to be honest). I have resisted the temptation to sail the seas to expand our game collection beyond the games we already owned.
- lastdong 1y ago
  This. You can get all original Wii games in the used market for little money and this gives you the flexibility to play backups of your original games without loading and unloading discs, faster load times, etc. I understand piracy is the number one goto, but not all sums up to that.
TuxSH 1y ago
> People were more motivated to do real, non-piracy homebrew. Gimmicks and ease-of-hacking also matter IMO. With the Switch, I believe we are seeing the "threat model" (from Nintendo's PoV) shift from on-device hacking to emulation, which is far more scalable and resilient to vuln fixes (system only needs to be hacked "once" to get crypto secrets and to dump code). This enables large-scale piracy and high financial stakes, see the ToTK debacle. On the other hand, there's no (?) handheld system with 3D like the 3DS; and playing DS/3DS games on emulator feels a bit awkward. The only thing I'm using my hacked Switch 1 is to dump/restore save files. Thanks to cloud saves and local save transfer, my other Switch units don't need to be hacked.

chungy 1y ago

Nintendo would[1] take all legal measures possible to shut down projects that allow using their hardware in methods they do not approve of. Homebrew Channel isn't new, it's nearly as old as the Wii itself. Nintendo would have had every motivation to go after them for all they're worth, if there was a valid legal claim against Homebrew Channel. Unfortunately for Nintendo, reverse-engineering a console to run code the first party has not authorized is not actually a violation of any law. Nintendo surely was grumpy at them, but they had no leg to stand on. [1] And still does, see their takedown of yuzu, who was openly allowing and encouraging Switch piracy in the Discord server.

mid-kid 1y ago

> homebrew always was always somewhat equal to piracy I can't speak for everyone but personally I find there's a moral imperative in making sure that we can actually own the devices we buy. Comments and sentiments like these needlessly devalue the work being done to achieve this, and is part of why the broader homebrew community is bitter about it.