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The Homebrew Channel repository is archived (Apr 28, 2025)

60 points by wolpoli 1y ago

deng 1y ago
Discussed yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43812995 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43812995
- smcin 1y ago
  <deleted>. My mistake
  - dharmab 1y ago
    Wrong Homebrew. Totally unrelated to this.
  - devixluvic 1y ago
    The blog you linked is to Homebrew, the package manager for macOS. "The Homebrew Channel", the Wii project that is in discussion here, is unrelated despite sharing a name.
    - smcin 1y ago
      Thanks for the correction.
trashburger 1y ago
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chungy 1y ago
So, allegedly it stole Nintendo SDK code, and Nintendo never noticed nor filed any kind of injunctions, especially since this was an extremely popular jailbreak tool when the Wii was the current console? This isn't passing the sniff test. I think Marcan is just trolling.
- onli 1y ago
  Not sure trolling is the right word. But it is very strange behaviour, to get so worked up and confrontational publicly, especially as a non-injured party. Goes right in line with his behaviour in the kernel rust saga. Conclusions are up to the reader.
  - karlgkk 1y ago
    It seems to me that he very visibly took an L, and he is still tilted by that. This is also after a wave of harassment from the far right.
    - andybak 1y ago
      Please forgive me for being old, but what the hell does "took an L" mean?
      - s_dev 1y ago
        It means to take a loss, as opposed to a W which is a win.
  - TazeTSchnitzel 1y ago
    Marcan is an injured party! If you go to great lengths to build a legally clean open-source project on top of a foundation of supposedly legally clean open-source libraries — absolutely critical libraries that have no currently existing alternative — and then discover that their supposed cleanness was a lie all along, it's not just an abstract insult and betrayal, it's a realisation that the immature actions of others have put an entire scene in legal jeopardy.
- rootsudo 1y ago
  This, but also it's so long ago and old, not current or a previous current gen system. The wii was discontinued october 2013, and released November 2006. Effiectively its 12-19 years old now, for me, while I understand it also kinda falls under "who cares" because homebrew always was always somewhat equal to piracy.
notachatbot123 1y ago
https://mardy.it/blog/2025/04/no-libogc-did-not-steal-rtems-code.html https://mardy.it/blog/2025/04/no-libogc-did-not-steal-rtems-... is a rebuttal
- messe 1y ago
  I think this comparison by armada651 linked in yesterday's thread is a better example (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43818214 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43818214) https://github.com/atgreen/RTEMS/blob/2f200c7e642c214accb7cc6bd7f0f1784deec833/c/src/exec/score/src/thread.c#L1141 https://github.com/atgreen/RTEMS/blob/2f200c7e642c214accb7cc... https://github.com/devkitPro/libogc/blob/52c525a13fd1762c10395c78875e3260f94368b5/libogc/lwp_threads.c#L388 https://github.com/devkitPro/libogc/blob/52c525a13fd1762c103... Multiple functions in that file are near identical.
- karel-3d 1y ago
  I am not up-to-date with the drama The original code this was copied from was open source; why not "just" say "oops we are sorry" and add the attribution? Licensing issues? But the repo in OP is also GPL?
- deng 1y ago
  See also: https://mas.to/@davejmurphy/114414723608693881 https://mas.to/@davejmurphy/114414723608693881 There's a legal and moral implication. Legally, saying that you took someone else's code as "source of information" would probably be seen as copyright infringement. Morally, I must say I find it difficult to get worked up about it. How to write a basic OS with a threading implementation shouldn't be rocket science for anyone with a good CS background (yes, I'm aware RTEMS was literally written for rockets, but still). Yes, he took a shortcut here by looking at an existing project, and if this was a commercial project, I might see why one could get angry. However, I also can't really understand why they simply refuse to give credit to the original project and maybe also change the license to GPLv2.
  - msm_ 1y ago
    >Legally, saying that you took someone else's code as "source of information" would probably be seen as copyright infringement Not necessarily. There are ways to work around that, for example white box reverse-engineering[1]. Also there are exemptions for some use cases, like interoperability. I'm sure a lawyer could figure something out, but it looks like they didn't consult any, and didn't follow a rigorous process. [1] https://ospo.co/blog/modern-reverse-engineering/ https://ospo.co/blog/modern-reverse-engineering/ - a random link I found by googling, but presents the idea well.
zombot 1y ago
So this has nothing to do with the Homebrew package manager on macOS? I'm confused.
- chha 1y ago
  No, this appears to be for something similarly named for the Nintendo Wii
  - CrossVR 1y ago
    Homebrew is a general term for software written by hobbyists and is mostly used in the context of running such software on a locked-down system.

60 points by wolpoli 1y ago

deng 1y ago

Discussed yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43812995 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43812995

smcin 1y ago
<deleted>. My mistake
- dharmab 1y ago
  Wrong Homebrew. Totally unrelated to this.
- devixluvic 1y ago
  The blog you linked is to Homebrew, the package manager for macOS. "The Homebrew Channel", the Wii project that is in discussion here, is unrelated despite sharing a name.
  - smcin 1y ago
    Thanks for the correction.

trashburger 1y ago

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chungy 1y ago

So, allegedly it stole Nintendo SDK code, and Nintendo never noticed nor filed any kind of injunctions, especially since this was an extremely popular jailbreak tool when the Wii was the current console? This isn't passing the sniff test. I think Marcan is just trolling.

onli 1y ago
Not sure trolling is the right word. But it is very strange behaviour, to get so worked up and confrontational publicly, especially as a non-injured party. Goes right in line with his behaviour in the kernel rust saga. Conclusions are up to the reader.
- karlgkk 1y ago
  It seems to me that he very visibly took an L, and he is still tilted by that. This is also after a wave of harassment from the far right.
  - andybak 1y ago
    Please forgive me for being old, but what the hell does "took an L" mean?
    - s_dev 1y ago
      It means to take a loss, as opposed to a W which is a win.
- TazeTSchnitzel 1y ago
  Marcan is an injured party! If you go to great lengths to build a legally clean open-source project on top of a foundation of supposedly legally clean open-source libraries — absolutely critical libraries that have no currently existing alternative — and then discover that their supposed cleanness was a lie all along, it's not just an abstract insult and betrayal, it's a realisation that the immature actions of others have put an entire scene in legal jeopardy.
rootsudo 1y ago
This, but also it's so long ago and old, not current or a previous current gen system. The wii was discontinued october 2013, and released November 2006. Effiectively its 12-19 years old now, for me, while I understand it also kinda falls under "who cares" because homebrew always was always somewhat equal to piracy.

notachatbot123 1y ago

https://mardy.it/blog/2025/04/no-libogc-did-not-steal-rtems-code.html https://mardy.it/blog/2025/04/no-libogc-did-not-steal-rtems-... is a rebuttal

messe 1y ago
I think this comparison by armada651 linked in yesterday's thread is a better example (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43818214 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43818214) https://github.com/atgreen/RTEMS/blob/2f200c7e642c214accb7cc6bd7f0f1784deec833/c/src/exec/score/src/thread.c#L1141 https://github.com/atgreen/RTEMS/blob/2f200c7e642c214accb7cc... https://github.com/devkitPro/libogc/blob/52c525a13fd1762c10395c78875e3260f94368b5/libogc/lwp_threads.c#L388 https://github.com/devkitPro/libogc/blob/52c525a13fd1762c103... Multiple functions in that file are near identical.
karel-3d 1y ago
I am not up-to-date with the drama The original code this was copied from was open source; why not "just" say "oops we are sorry" and add the attribution? Licensing issues? But the repo in OP is also GPL?
deng 1y ago
See also: https://mas.to/@davejmurphy/114414723608693881 https://mas.to/@davejmurphy/114414723608693881 There's a legal and moral implication. Legally, saying that you took someone else's code as "source of information" would probably be seen as copyright infringement. Morally, I must say I find it difficult to get worked up about it. How to write a basic OS with a threading implementation shouldn't be rocket science for anyone with a good CS background (yes, I'm aware RTEMS was literally written for rockets, but still). Yes, he took a shortcut here by looking at an existing project, and if this was a commercial project, I might see why one could get angry. However, I also can't really understand why they simply refuse to give credit to the original project and maybe also change the license to GPLv2.
- msm_ 1y ago
  >Legally, saying that you took someone else's code as "source of information" would probably be seen as copyright infringement Not necessarily. There are ways to work around that, for example white box reverse-engineering[1]. Also there are exemptions for some use cases, like interoperability. I'm sure a lawyer could figure something out, but it looks like they didn't consult any, and didn't follow a rigorous process. [1] https://ospo.co/blog/modern-reverse-engineering/ https://ospo.co/blog/modern-reverse-engineering/ - a random link I found by googling, but presents the idea well.

zombot 1y ago

So this has nothing to do with the Homebrew package manager on macOS? I'm confused.

chha 1y ago
No, this appears to be for something similarly named for the Nintendo Wii
- CrossVR 1y ago
  Homebrew is a general term for software written by hobbyists and is mostly used in the context of running such software on a locked-down system.