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When my mom was an art student in the 1950s, duplicating a famous painting was a training exercise. In fact, the museum would let you bring in your easel and se

When my mom was an art student in the 1950s, duplicating a famous painting was a training exercise. In fact, the museum would let you bring in your easel and set it up in the exhibit hall. I remember seeing this done when I was a kid. Maybe they've gotten too prickly about security, or copyrights, because I don't see this being done any more.

Gigachad 2y ago
Surely today you’d just take a photo with your phone and paint at home.
- JohnKemeny 2y ago
  Have you ever looked at a painting?
- navigate8310 2y ago
  Camera cannot capture subtle details that are visible only through naked eyes and a creative brain to process
  - Gigachad 2y ago
    The only thing a camera is not capturing is any 3D details and light reflectivity. Unless you are trying to create an absolute perfect replica, I’m not sure why you’d need that level of detail. As an artist you should be able to add that detail yourself.
    - rickdeckard 2y ago
      I think the process also involves focusing on and appreciating the craft of the painting through the process of redrawing it. Otherwise that art-school lesson is rather that every impression in the world can be equally represented by a JPEG on some screen (and while painting is a fun exercise, it's just "a imprecise JPEG with extra steps")...
    - quitit 2y ago
      There's plenty of reasons to not use a photo or a scan, but some trivial reasons are: translucent, metallic/pearl, and fluorescent paints and pigments. Other reasons include gamut limitations, interactions with light (as you've noted already), and the point of the exercise is to capture minor details and attempt to understand the artist's original decision making processes. That can involve looking at the artwork under different lighting conditions, from different angles and so on. Photos of course make good reference pieces, but snapping a photo or downloading a scan of a piece is going to leave many frustrating questions unanswered. Despite the outcome the goal isn't to reproduce the piece. It's to emulate the process that led to the piece.
    - keiferski 2y ago
      There are a million reasons why a photograph is not equivalent to an in-person artwork, but the most convincing one in my experience is scale. Computers make every painting into the size of your screen. Seeing a gigantic painting in person by an artist that specializes in scale is an entirely different experience. As examples: Botticelli’s Venus is a much different experience in person, when you see it from across the room. Anslem Kiefer’s paintings don’t hit you nearly as hard via photographs vs. in person. And so on.
    - dublin 2y ago
      Even the best photography does a very poor job of capturing what many works of art actually look like. This is an area where tech is not the answer, and those that insist it is are just ignorant of the subtleties of actual artwork. BTW, this isn't some woo-woo claim, there are myriad things that cameras capture very poorly, if at all, starting with the obvious things like reflections (amny types), refractions (ditto), transparency and translucency (esp. in marble!), and many, many more.
Hard_Space 2y ago
As an art student in London in 1982, this was common practice. I remember doing a pastel copy of one of Degas' washing nudes at the Cortauld Institute. You would often see art students set up in a museum like that, though I haven't seen that again in many years.
- lb1lf 2y ago
  Seeing just this taking place was one of the highlights for me when visiting the Musée d'Orsay last year - seeing people sketch and watercolour in several of the galleries made the museum become so much more alive.
nkrisc 2y ago
I remember seeing this in the 2000s - students from the School of the Art Institute of Chicago in the galleries, though not with easels. Usually pastels or pencils on a large drawing pad.

Gigachad 2y ago

Surely today you’d just take a photo with your phone and paint at home.

JohnKemeny 2y ago
Have you ever looked at a painting?
navigate8310 2y ago
Camera cannot capture subtle details that are visible only through naked eyes and a creative brain to process
- Gigachad 2y ago
  The only thing a camera is not capturing is any 3D details and light reflectivity. Unless you are trying to create an absolute perfect replica, I’m not sure why you’d need that level of detail. As an artist you should be able to add that detail yourself.
  - rickdeckard 2y ago
    I think the process also involves focusing on and appreciating the craft of the painting through the process of redrawing it. Otherwise that art-school lesson is rather that every impression in the world can be equally represented by a JPEG on some screen (and while painting is a fun exercise, it's just "a imprecise JPEG with extra steps")...
  - quitit 2y ago
    There's plenty of reasons to not use a photo or a scan, but some trivial reasons are: translucent, metallic/pearl, and fluorescent paints and pigments. Other reasons include gamut limitations, interactions with light (as you've noted already), and the point of the exercise is to capture minor details and attempt to understand the artist's original decision making processes. That can involve looking at the artwork under different lighting conditions, from different angles and so on. Photos of course make good reference pieces, but snapping a photo or downloading a scan of a piece is going to leave many frustrating questions unanswered. Despite the outcome the goal isn't to reproduce the piece. It's to emulate the process that led to the piece.
  - keiferski 2y ago
    There are a million reasons why a photograph is not equivalent to an in-person artwork, but the most convincing one in my experience is scale. Computers make every painting into the size of your screen. Seeing a gigantic painting in person by an artist that specializes in scale is an entirely different experience. As examples: Botticelli’s Venus is a much different experience in person, when you see it from across the room. Anslem Kiefer’s paintings don’t hit you nearly as hard via photographs vs. in person. And so on.
  - dublin 2y ago
    Even the best photography does a very poor job of capturing what many works of art actually look like. This is an area where tech is not the answer, and those that insist it is are just ignorant of the subtleties of actual artwork. BTW, this isn't some woo-woo claim, there are myriad things that cameras capture very poorly, if at all, starting with the obvious things like reflections (amny types), refractions (ditto), transparency and translucency (esp. in marble!), and many, many more.

Hard_Space 2y ago

As an art student in London in 1982, this was common practice. I remember doing a pastel copy of one of Degas' washing nudes at the Cortauld Institute. You would often see art students set up in a museum like that, though I haven't seen that again in many years.

lb1lf 2y ago
Seeing just this taking place was one of the highlights for me when visiting the Musée d'Orsay last year - seeing people sketch and watercolour in several of the galleries made the museum become so much more alive.

nkrisc 2y ago

I remember seeing this in the 2000s - students from the School of the Art Institute of Chicago in the galleries, though not with easels. Usually pastels or pencils on a large drawing pad.