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So are we going to pretend Palantir, Anduril, SpaceX do not exist with their armies of 21 year olds fresh out of college getting fast tracked for SCI and workin

So are we going to pretend Palantir, Anduril, SpaceX do not exist with their armies of 21 year olds fresh out of college getting fast tracked for SCI and working with secrets far more dangerous than nuclear? Also by definition everyone who receives an SCI clearance would have 0 experience working with anything of that nature. Nearly everyone who gets an account on JWICS (btw there are 30k+ accounts on JWICS, not exactly a small group) would have no experience working with the information hosted there. I don't follow the line of reasoning in this article and honestly expected more than tabloid style reporting from NPR. Imagine the converse, if there were swathes of people with experience working with nuclear weapons or more dangerous military technology before getting any type of clearance from their government.

rolph 1y ago
classified or secret, doesnt mean unattainable knowledge, it means confirmation, denial, or disclosure of activities is not to occur
- cuuupid 1y ago
  You are confusing secret+ classification with CUI. Above I specifically refer to SCI, the designation for things of dire national security impact, which quite literally mandates that information be fully compartmentalized and unattainable to the public. Above that we have SAPs or special clearances (e.g. Q for Nuclear, YW for White House). It is not possible to work with nuclear weapons, serious satellites, advanced drone weaponry, or similar without first getting an SCI clearance. In fact all of these are prime examples of their specific marking compartments. There are even regulations below this (e.g. ITAR) that control who gets to work on military technology in general.
  - rolph 1y ago
    there is a doctrine of born secret. and it is a contingency. if i, or you, or anyone, was to independently realize how to increase yield of a weapon, or create a nuclear isomer weapon, it is secret upon conception. knowledge is discoverable, and cant be stopped, only access to the tools of production can be stopped. that is why you CANT stop motivated persons from making independent discovery, you have to prevent your adversary from knowing what you do/dont know, and what you are/are not doing.
kenjackson 1y ago
The issue is that, at least from what has been reported, DOGE hasn't gone through standard protocol to get access. No background checks, no education, no vetting and no oversight. And what exactly is the "need to know" for DOGE here?

rolph 1y ago

classified or secret, doesnt mean unattainable knowledge, it means confirmation, denial, or disclosure of activities is not to occur

cuuupid 1y ago
You are confusing secret+ classification with CUI. Above I specifically refer to SCI, the designation for things of dire national security impact, which quite literally mandates that information be fully compartmentalized and unattainable to the public. Above that we have SAPs or special clearances (e.g. Q for Nuclear, YW for White House). It is not possible to work with nuclear weapons, serious satellites, advanced drone weaponry, or similar without first getting an SCI clearance. In fact all of these are prime examples of their specific marking compartments. There are even regulations below this (e.g. ITAR) that control who gets to work on military technology in general.
- rolph 1y ago
  there is a doctrine of born secret. and it is a contingency. if i, or you, or anyone, was to independently realize how to increase yield of a weapon, or create a nuclear isomer weapon, it is secret upon conception. knowledge is discoverable, and cant be stopped, only access to the tools of production can be stopped. that is why you CANT stop motivated persons from making independent discovery, you have to prevent your adversary from knowing what you do/dont know, and what you are/are not doing.

kenjackson 1y ago

The issue is that, at least from what has been reported, DOGE hasn't gone through standard protocol to get access. No background checks, no education, no vetting and no oversight. And what exactly is the "need to know" for DOGE here?