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I don't dispute that these are "efforts to do good stuff in the real world". It's just very obvious that they are having the opposite effect. I don't kow what t

by slibhb 1y ago

I don't dispute that these are "efforts to do good stuff in the real world". It's just very obvious that they are having the opposite effect. I don't kow what that has to do with an "echo chamber". > People can be wrong and not "woke" (which you're clearly using to connote "evil" or "enemy"). Of course they can. The Trump administration is wrong and unwoke. I did not use "woke" to connote "evil" or "enemy". Where are you getting that? I mentioned specific cases where "wokeness" has led to bad policy.

ajross 1y ago
> It's just very obvious that they are having the opposite effect. I don't kow what that has to do with an "echo chamber". Yikes. When something is "very obvious" to you, to the extent that you find yourself exasperated by everyone else's inability to see the obvious truth you're taking as a prior... You are almost certainly in an echo chamber. The stuff you sneer about here has real argument around it. It's not as dumb as you clearly think it is. Does that mean you're wrong? No! But it means you're not thinking clearly. It's time to talk to some woke DEI hippie school board members or admissions officers or whatever, and maybe see if you can find out what they actually think about gender or racial justice or whatever.
- slibhb 1y ago
  You jump from bizarre accusation to bizarre accusation. Here's my go at diagnosing you (and this goes for many people in this thread): the centerpeice of your worldview has been "liberals good, conservatives bad" for your entire life. Now, when faced with clear evidence of well-meaning liberals enacting harmful policies in the name of "racial justice," your brain short-circuits and you start sputtering gibberish (or arguing semantics, e.g."you can't define wokeness!"). The way out is to admit that liberals are human, they make mistakes, and "wokeness" and its associated policies are examples of this. Don't worry, after you start seeing reality more clearly, you can still vote for the Democrats! They're still better than Trump!
  - ajross 1y ago
    > your brain short-circuits and you start sputtering gibberish Exactly. I think we know which of us is in an echo chamber.

by slibhb 1y ago

ajross 1y ago

> It's just very obvious that they are having the opposite effect. I don't kow what that has to do with an "echo chamber". Yikes. When something is "very obvious" to you, to the extent that you find yourself exasperated by everyone else's inability to see the obvious truth you're taking as a prior... You are almost certainly in an echo chamber. The stuff you sneer about here has real argument around it. It's not as dumb as you clearly think it is. Does that mean you're wrong? No! But it means you're not thinking clearly. It's time to talk to some woke DEI hippie school board members or admissions officers or whatever, and maybe see if you can find out what they actually think about gender or racial justice or whatever.

slibhb 1y ago
You jump from bizarre accusation to bizarre accusation. Here's my go at diagnosing you (and this goes for many people in this thread): the centerpeice of your worldview has been "liberals good, conservatives bad" for your entire life. Now, when faced with clear evidence of well-meaning liberals enacting harmful policies in the name of "racial justice," your brain short-circuits and you start sputtering gibberish (or arguing semantics, e.g."you can't define wokeness!"). The way out is to admit that liberals are human, they make mistakes, and "wokeness" and its associated policies are examples of this. Don't worry, after you start seeing reality more clearly, you can still vote for the Democrats! They're still better than Trump!
- ajross 1y ago
  > your brain short-circuits and you start sputtering gibberish Exactly. I think we know which of us is in an echo chamber.