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It's School time: Adventures in hacking an old Kindle

176 points by FlyingSnake 1y ago

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dmitrygr 1y ago
4 significant figures on weather temperature is kind of funny to look at. Must be some very accurate forecasts
- mobilemidget 1y ago
  I was just here to write the same thing :) imagine it being 0.01 degrees too warm or cold
  - alnwlsn 1y ago
    Reminds me of those times I work with temperature sensors which report in eighths of a degree. 3 decimal places to give less than one decimal place of precision. You can round, but somehow that doesn't feel right.
- FlyingSnake 1y ago
  I did that on purpose. My daughter is learning decimal place value system in school and I thought it would be a cool Easter Egg for her.
mahi_novice 1y ago
Love this! Always fun to do stuff like this.
gitroom 1y ago
lol i get weirdly obsessed with decimal places on stuff like this too - makes me laugh every time.
mtlynch 1y ago
>I designed a backend API that collected the data in real-time data and exported it as a PNG image. Does anyone know why in these Kindle modding dashboards, they always generate the dashbard image on an external server? Why isn't it possible to build all that functionality into an executable on the Kindle itself? You've got a Linux environment, so why can't you run all the logic locally?
- dmitrygr 1y ago
  Most people today do not know how to program in the confines of 256MB of RAM and are not aware that languages other than javascript exist.
  - supportengineer 1y ago
    I expected the Kindle to do a few api calls and call ImageMagick but instead, in Cloudflare, it sets up a headless browser, and renders a web page to a PNG file on the server, and then only the final png image gets returned to the Kindle.
- kovac 1y ago
  I built this dashboard. The price curves and text are rendered locally from the microcontroller and painted pixel by pixel. Letters use raster fonts stored locally, price curves are generated on the fly. It can be done, it takes a bit of care. Mine only has ~400KB memory. It must be a lot easier on the Kindle, I think it runs Java even. https://www.asciimx.com/projects/etlas/ https://www.asciimx.com/projects/etlas/
  - FlyingSnake 1y ago
    Thanks for sharing your project, it is very cool! I'll check it out and see if I can get it to work. Kindle is very hackable if you're ready to endure some weird quirks. E.g. You can install Python on kindle or do custom software using various tools like Gcc, clang, Perl etc. 1: https://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/Python_on_Kindle https://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/Python_on_Kindle 2: https://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/Kindle_Hacks_Information#Kindle_Developer.27s_Corner https://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/Kindle_Hacks_Information#Ki...
bigiain 1y ago
In case the author ever sees this... If you have that battery level available off the Kindle, you can use it to turn a wifi "smart plug" on and off, to automatically top the charge up only when required. (Or, more old-school, use a powerpoint timer set to only power up for a short time each day. I did this way back, when the place I worked decided they needed iPads stuck next to meeting room doors to stop arguments about who had it booked, but when they first installed them they left them plugged into the charger 24x7, and the batteries in them would puff up in 8-12 months and kill the iPads. Putting the charger in a timer so they only charged hour a day saved them about $6,000 a year in puffed up iPads.)
- password4321 1y ago
  Last week I xkcd#1053'd (aka lucky 10,000'd) https://chargie.org https://chargie.org thanks to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43766728#43767575 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43766728#43767575 (additional anecdata: https://hn.algolia.com?query=chargie&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com?query=chargie&type=comment) >an interposing dongle [$25 on sale!] which provides a Bluetooth receiver and app that lets you set arbitrary preferences on your phone and fast charge, slow charge, or turn off the charger at configurable state of charge setpoints or times Another option I learned about just now for Macbooks: https://github.com/AppHouseKitchen/AlDente-Charge-Limiter https://github.com/AppHouseKitchen/AlDente-Charge-Limiter (macOS 11+; $25 Pro version) And I saw your recommendation elsewhere in the previous discussion I dug up (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31841051#31842078 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31841051#31842078) because someone mentioned that power cycling the battery on a timer would still eventually encounter the same problem. >Trades one problem for another. Now you are cycling the battery frequently which is going to do the same thing in the end.
  - coderatlarge 1y ago
    isn’t this what usb-pd is for?
  - Abishek_Muthian 1y ago
    I’d add using those old 1A charger for slow charging the device overnight to reduce heat generated during charging especially during summer.
stavros 1y ago
Is there anything like this that can wake the Kindle up, get an image, and then sleep it again? I have an old Kindle that I want to show stuff on, but I don't want to keep it plugged in all the time.
- kovac 1y ago
  I work on e-paper displays. Are you looking for something built with a Kindle? This project of mine is similar to what you described with a power down mode. The power down and wake up can be automated. I'm looking to build a small business around such projects. Not sure how viable it is. https://www.asciimx.com/projects/e-reader/ https://www.asciimx.com/projects/e-reader/
  - stavros 1y ago
    It does seem pretty viable, TRMNL are pretty popular: https://usetrmnl.com https://usetrmnl.com I made some stuff of mine for that display too, but the easiest way is to just use TRMNL's firmware, as it supports autoupdates and a few other nice features. Here's mine: https://www.stavros.io/posts/making-a-trmnl-device/ https://www.stavros.io/posts/making-a-trmnl-device/ Plus this: https://www.stavros.io/posts/making-the-timeframe/ https://www.stavros.io/posts/making-the-timeframe/ And a few more things I never wrote about. The Kindle project is just because I have a few Kindles lying around, so I might as well use them!
    - kovac 1y ago
      That's beautiful, thanks for sharing. I was wondering what may be the best way to do frames. Custom frames, here in Singapore, are a bit expensive relative to the rest of the parts.
      - stavros 1y ago
        3D printing is one good way, the other way I used is just to get a frame from IKEA and 3D print the inside white bit to my exact dimensions, which worked beautifully. I should post that build too, with some photos, I really like it.
megous 1y ago
Hacking here seems to have been done by others. Anyway, speaking of hacking... check out what pocketbook creators themselves did with some of the older pocketbook models. They managed to drive eInk display panel from a normal RGB LCD interface, because they used a SoC (A13) without eInk interface. One of the weirder things I saw during my reverse-engineering adventures. :D
badmonster 1y ago
highlights for me:cf-wasm for image transformation and the graceful handling of real-world issues like BVG strikes.
marcod 1y ago
I just realized I had a few Kindle Fires lying around in a box. I wanted to give one to a friend who didn't have a good phone so she could listen to audio books. Turns out those old Fires are no longer updated and Android is so old I can't even install anything current on it. I hope to change that with https://kindlemodding.org/ https://kindlemodding.org/ which was mentioned, so appreciate the writeup :)
- theblazehen 1y ago
  They don't cover the Kindle Fires, however you can get a _slightly_ newer Android from https://xdaforums.com/f/kindle-fire-android-development.1309/ https://xdaforums.com/f/kindle-fire-android-development.1309...
  - marcod 1y ago
    Darn, I checked XDA but must have been in the wrong forum because that's really what I was looking for - thanks!
- wintermutestwin 1y ago
  https://kindlemodding.org/ https://kindlemodding.org/ I appreciate finding that site as well, but I thought it strange that I couldn't find a "why jailbreak" section. Does anyone here know? I don't want Amazon's spying on me so I have just kept it in Airplane mode since I bought it 9 years ago. It seems to work fine ¯\(ツ)/¯
larodi 1y ago
Old kindles should be donated to engineering schools and academia to break it into pieces and do new hacks with them. Amazon produced so many of them there’s always one 7” lying around at a friend’s desk.
- myself248 1y ago
  Are you aware of a school that proactively declares that they accept such donations? Speaking in my volunteer post as the coordinator of a makerspace electronics lab, we were buried in e-waste "abandonations" (someone literally unloaded a pickup truck full of mouse-eaten boxes of plastic junk outside our door one morning, and it took us a week of volunteer hours to dispose of it all properly) until we got very aggressive about requiring advance approval by the appropriate coordinator.
  - larodi 1y ago
    No, but I've been campaigning at university where I teach to do it. As you may expect - very few people at academia do bold moves just out of love for knowledge these days. So, perhaps, I'm going to have to do it myself sooner or later. I believe the tagline should be - "welcome to the hackaton. you live in a post-singularity world where only legacy chips are available, and the establishment controls all the silicon producing facilities. your job is to bring equipment back to live in order to help the resistance" Of course the entry exam is having students spend a day without mobiles, in order to get used to this reality :D
    - myself248 1y ago
      Every syllabus should be part manifesto. I love this.
ishanmahapatra 1y ago
Unfortunately, Winterbreak doesn’t work on Kindles with the latest firmware (5.18.1 or 2). And there’s no way to downgrade the firmware to an earlier one without having previously jailbroken your device. So now it’s a waiting game to see when the new method for the latest firmware will be ready for the public.
goodboyjojo 1y ago
cool read. its always good to breath life into an old device with hacking and modding
shlip 1y ago
A bit tengential to the subject here, but maybe someone can tell which kindle is the easiest to jailbreak without it having to be registered ? I see that Windbreak needs device registration and that's a bit of a show stopper for me...
- myself248 1y ago
  Same, same. I picked up a couple of used ones at an estate sale and I just want them as e-ink tablets. It's weird to me that there's no from-the-ground-up total firmware replacement for these.
  - sciencesama 1y ago
    The bootloader is locked !!
butz 1y ago
It might be faster, and cheaper, to build SVG file and render it on server directly to correct format.

176 points by FlyingSnake 1y ago

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dmitrygr 1y ago

4 significant figures on weather temperature is kind of funny to look at. Must be some very accurate forecasts

mobilemidget 1y ago
I was just here to write the same thing :) imagine it being 0.01 degrees too warm or cold
- alnwlsn 1y ago
  Reminds me of those times I work with temperature sensors which report in eighths of a degree. 3 decimal places to give less than one decimal place of precision. You can round, but somehow that doesn't feel right.
FlyingSnake 1y ago
I did that on purpose. My daughter is learning decimal place value system in school and I thought it would be a cool Easter Egg for her.

mahi_novice 1y ago

Love this! Always fun to do stuff like this.

gitroom 1y ago

lol i get weirdly obsessed with decimal places on stuff like this too - makes me laugh every time.

mtlynch 1y ago

>I designed a backend API that collected the data in real-time data and exported it as a PNG image. Does anyone know why in these Kindle modding dashboards, they always generate the dashbard image on an external server? Why isn't it possible to build all that functionality into an executable on the Kindle itself? You've got a Linux environment, so why can't you run all the logic locally?

dmitrygr 1y ago
Most people today do not know how to program in the confines of 256MB of RAM and are not aware that languages other than javascript exist.
- supportengineer 1y ago
  I expected the Kindle to do a few api calls and call ImageMagick but instead, in Cloudflare, it sets up a headless browser, and renders a web page to a PNG file on the server, and then only the final png image gets returned to the Kindle.
kovac 1y ago
I built this dashboard. The price curves and text are rendered locally from the microcontroller and painted pixel by pixel. Letters use raster fonts stored locally, price curves are generated on the fly. It can be done, it takes a bit of care. Mine only has ~400KB memory. It must be a lot easier on the Kindle, I think it runs Java even. https://www.asciimx.com/projects/etlas/ https://www.asciimx.com/projects/etlas/
- FlyingSnake 1y ago
  Thanks for sharing your project, it is very cool! I'll check it out and see if I can get it to work. Kindle is very hackable if you're ready to endure some weird quirks. E.g. You can install Python on kindle or do custom software using various tools like Gcc, clang, Perl etc. 1: https://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/Python_on_Kindle https://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/Python_on_Kindle 2: https://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/Kindle_Hacks_Information#Kindle_Developer.27s_Corner https://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/Kindle_Hacks_Information#Ki...

bigiain 1y ago

In case the author ever sees this... If you have that battery level available off the Kindle, you can use it to turn a wifi "smart plug" on and off, to automatically top the charge up only when required. (Or, more old-school, use a powerpoint timer set to only power up for a short time each day. I did this way back, when the place I worked decided they needed iPads stuck next to meeting room doors to stop arguments about who had it booked, but when they first installed them they left them plugged into the charger 24x7, and the batteries in them would puff up in 8-12 months and kill the iPads. Putting the charger in a timer so they only charged hour a day saved them about $6,000 a year in puffed up iPads.)

password4321 1y ago
Last week I xkcd#1053'd (aka lucky 10,000'd) https://chargie.org https://chargie.org thanks to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43766728#43767575 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43766728#43767575 (additional anecdata: https://hn.algolia.com?query=chargie&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com?query=chargie&type=comment) >an interposing dongle [$25 on sale!] which provides a Bluetooth receiver and app that lets you set arbitrary preferences on your phone and fast charge, slow charge, or turn off the charger at configurable state of charge setpoints or times Another option I learned about just now for Macbooks: https://github.com/AppHouseKitchen/AlDente-Charge-Limiter https://github.com/AppHouseKitchen/AlDente-Charge-Limiter (macOS 11+; $25 Pro version) And I saw your recommendation elsewhere in the previous discussion I dug up (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31841051#31842078 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31841051#31842078) because someone mentioned that power cycling the battery on a timer would still eventually encounter the same problem. >Trades one problem for another. Now you are cycling the battery frequently which is going to do the same thing in the end.
- coderatlarge 1y ago
  isn’t this what usb-pd is for?
- Abishek_Muthian 1y ago
  I’d add using those old 1A charger for slow charging the device overnight to reduce heat generated during charging especially during summer.

stavros 1y ago

Is there anything like this that can wake the Kindle up, get an image, and then sleep it again? I have an old Kindle that I want to show stuff on, but I don't want to keep it plugged in all the time.

kovac 1y ago
I work on e-paper displays. Are you looking for something built with a Kindle? This project of mine is similar to what you described with a power down mode. The power down and wake up can be automated. I'm looking to build a small business around such projects. Not sure how viable it is. https://www.asciimx.com/projects/e-reader/ https://www.asciimx.com/projects/e-reader/
- stavros 1y ago
  It does seem pretty viable, TRMNL are pretty popular: https://usetrmnl.com https://usetrmnl.com I made some stuff of mine for that display too, but the easiest way is to just use TRMNL's firmware, as it supports autoupdates and a few other nice features. Here's mine: https://www.stavros.io/posts/making-a-trmnl-device/ https://www.stavros.io/posts/making-a-trmnl-device/ Plus this: https://www.stavros.io/posts/making-the-timeframe/ https://www.stavros.io/posts/making-the-timeframe/ And a few more things I never wrote about. The Kindle project is just because I have a few Kindles lying around, so I might as well use them!
  - kovac 1y ago
    That's beautiful, thanks for sharing. I was wondering what may be the best way to do frames. Custom frames, here in Singapore, are a bit expensive relative to the rest of the parts.
    - stavros 1y ago
      3D printing is one good way, the other way I used is just to get a frame from IKEA and 3D print the inside white bit to my exact dimensions, which worked beautifully. I should post that build too, with some photos, I really like it.

megous 1y ago

Hacking here seems to have been done by others. Anyway, speaking of hacking... check out what pocketbook creators themselves did with some of the older pocketbook models. They managed to drive eInk display panel from a normal RGB LCD interface, because they used a SoC (A13) without eInk interface. One of the weirder things I saw during my reverse-engineering adventures. :D

badmonster 1y ago

highlights for me:cf-wasm for image transformation and the graceful handling of real-world issues like BVG strikes.

marcod 1y ago

I just realized I had a few Kindle Fires lying around in a box. I wanted to give one to a friend who didn't have a good phone so she could listen to audio books. Turns out those old Fires are no longer updated and Android is so old I can't even install anything current on it. I hope to change that with https://kindlemodding.org/ https://kindlemodding.org/ which was mentioned, so appreciate the writeup :)

theblazehen 1y ago
They don't cover the Kindle Fires, however you can get a _slightly_ newer Android from https://xdaforums.com/f/kindle-fire-android-development.1309/ https://xdaforums.com/f/kindle-fire-android-development.1309...
- marcod 1y ago
  Darn, I checked XDA but must have been in the wrong forum because that's really what I was looking for - thanks!
wintermutestwin 1y ago
https://kindlemodding.org/ https://kindlemodding.org/ I appreciate finding that site as well, but I thought it strange that I couldn't find a "why jailbreak" section. Does anyone here know? I don't want Amazon's spying on me so I have just kept it in Airplane mode since I bought it 9 years ago. It seems to work fine ¯\(ツ)/¯

larodi 1y ago

Old kindles should be donated to engineering schools and academia to break it into pieces and do new hacks with them. Amazon produced so many of them there’s always one 7” lying around at a friend’s desk.

myself248 1y ago
Are you aware of a school that proactively declares that they accept such donations? Speaking in my volunteer post as the coordinator of a makerspace electronics lab, we were buried in e-waste "abandonations" (someone literally unloaded a pickup truck full of mouse-eaten boxes of plastic junk outside our door one morning, and it took us a week of volunteer hours to dispose of it all properly) until we got very aggressive about requiring advance approval by the appropriate coordinator.
- larodi 1y ago
  No, but I've been campaigning at university where I teach to do it. As you may expect - very few people at academia do bold moves just out of love for knowledge these days. So, perhaps, I'm going to have to do it myself sooner or later. I believe the tagline should be - "welcome to the hackaton. you live in a post-singularity world where only legacy chips are available, and the establishment controls all the silicon producing facilities. your job is to bring equipment back to live in order to help the resistance" Of course the entry exam is having students spend a day without mobiles, in order to get used to this reality :D
  - myself248 1y ago
    Every syllabus should be part manifesto. I love this.

ishanmahapatra 1y ago

Unfortunately, Winterbreak doesn’t work on Kindles with the latest firmware (5.18.1 or 2). And there’s no way to downgrade the firmware to an earlier one without having previously jailbroken your device. So now it’s a waiting game to see when the new method for the latest firmware will be ready for the public.

goodboyjojo 1y ago

cool read. its always good to breath life into an old device with hacking and modding

shlip 1y ago

A bit tengential to the subject here, but maybe someone can tell which kindle is the easiest to jailbreak without it having to be registered ? I see that Windbreak needs device registration and that's a bit of a show stopper for me...

myself248 1y ago
Same, same. I picked up a couple of used ones at an estate sale and I just want them as e-ink tablets. It's weird to me that there's no from-the-ground-up total firmware replacement for these.
- sciencesama 1y ago
  The bootloader is locked !!

butz 1y ago

It might be faster, and cheaper, to build SVG file and render it on server directly to correct format.