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I think there needs to be identification and marketing of whatever EU agencies are already focusing on these issues. In discussing policy solution hypothetical

I think there needs to be identification and marketing of whatever EU agencies are already focusing on these issues. In discussing policy solution hypotheticals for the US, bodies like the Department of Commerce, the FCC and OSHA are household names but I've lived in Ireland for years and can only name Euratom off the top of my head and need the use of a search engine to get the names of any other EU agencies.

FirmwareBurner 1y ago
There's no EU OHSA, each country has its own with different regulations.
- OgsyedIE 1y ago
  Contrary to the claim that there is no EU OSHA, I was quite surprised to learn that there is an EU agency with the same role as the American OSHA that is literally named EU-OSHA, and I suspect you'll be pleasantly surprised too. Wikipedia link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Agency_for_Safety_and_Health_at_Work https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Agency_for_Safety_and...
  - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
    That's not the same thing. EU orgs like that only serve to guide policies and campaigns but they have no enforcement, it doesn't do investigations and dish out fines. If you see a OSHA violation at your workplace you have to go to the local authority in your member county which has different rules than each other country.
1oooqooq 1y ago
decades(!) ago there was a German documentary about exactly this. on how the eu commission dictate the tone and everyone fall in line. the director of IT for the eu commission at the time is now responsible for HR. where people critical of this are barred with a "no political knowledge" stamp, which is the eu commission equivalent of "not a techbro culture fit" in silicon valley.
- 7bit 1y ago
  Decades ago? So at least 20 years ago? I hardly doubt that. Are you perhaps thinking of the 2018 documentary called The Microsoft-Dilemma? It's surprisingly good and shows how Microsoft manages to influence decisions on small to massively large scales. In European countries and the EU itself.
  - 1oooqooq 1y ago
    correct. i fat fingered a question mark there :)
rsynnott 1y ago
Generally, while the EU makes rules, regulatory bodies are _mostly_ a national competence. FCC equiv in Ireland would be some combo of Comreg and the BAI, OSHA equivalent would be the HSA, US Department of Commerce is broad enough that it doesn't have a single equivalent. But that's just Ireland, it'll be different in every country.

FirmwareBurner 1y ago

There's no EU OHSA, each country has its own with different regulations.

OgsyedIE 1y ago
Contrary to the claim that there is no EU OSHA, I was quite surprised to learn that there is an EU agency with the same role as the American OSHA that is literally named EU-OSHA, and I suspect you'll be pleasantly surprised too. Wikipedia link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Agency_for_Safety_and_Health_at_Work https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Agency_for_Safety_and...
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  That's not the same thing. EU orgs like that only serve to guide policies and campaigns but they have no enforcement, it doesn't do investigations and dish out fines. If you see a OSHA violation at your workplace you have to go to the local authority in your member county which has different rules than each other country.

1oooqooq 1y ago

decades(!) ago there was a German documentary about exactly this. on how the eu commission dictate the tone and everyone fall in line. the director of IT for the eu commission at the time is now responsible for HR. where people critical of this are barred with a "no political knowledge" stamp, which is the eu commission equivalent of "not a techbro culture fit" in silicon valley.

7bit 1y ago
Decades ago? So at least 20 years ago? I hardly doubt that. Are you perhaps thinking of the 2018 documentary called The Microsoft-Dilemma? It's surprisingly good and shows how Microsoft manages to influence decisions on small to massively large scales. In European countries and the EU itself.
- 1oooqooq 1y ago
  correct. i fat fingered a question mark there :)

rsynnott 1y ago

Generally, while the EU makes rules, regulatory bodies are _mostly_ a national competence. FCC equiv in Ireland would be some combo of Comreg and the BAI, OSHA equivalent would be the HSA, US Department of Commerce is broad enough that it doesn't have a single equivalent. But that's just Ireland, it'll be different in every country.