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European Critical Dependencies

24 points by taubek 2y ago

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djoldman 2y ago
Topic-adjacent: do tariffs exist for cross-border services like consulting, accounting, legal, cloud services, etc.?
- IAmBroom 2y ago
  My understanding is that the Euro Alliance is a tariff-free zone: workers and goods from within the Euro Zone are not taxable.
- Arnt 2y ago
  General tariffs exist, e.g. the "10% on everything" that you probably have read about recently. "Everything" includes immaterial imports such as paying for consulting when the consulting company is in another country.
  - senko 2y ago
    While in general this comment is true (you could, in theory, apply tariffs to services), the recent American "10% on everything" are in fact only for goods. Source: consulting from another country, have US clients.
    - Arnt 2y ago
      Sorry, my bad. I don't think I've ever seen a tariff being applied to consulting, have you? I remember a contract that escaped tariffs because the subject was excepted from an exception from an exception, which suggests that slightly different work would be covered, because the deepest exception would not apply. But in the event, my/our consulting was covered by the deepest exception.
      - senko 2y ago
        I haven't either. I do know there's a default 30% withholding tax on stuff like IP licensing, but that's different from tariffs (it's just income tax on digital goods, and usually lower for countries that have tax deals with the US (to avoid double taxation).
edweis 2y ago
We've been looking to migrate away from FastMail and we are considering Proton Mail. More alternatives there: https://european-alternatives.eu/category/email-providers https://european-alternatives.eu/category/email-providers
- 7bit 2y ago
  Ah Proton Mail. Supporter of Trump and Republicans. With the CEOs statement at the start of this year, that company died for me and I would not move any critical services to it: > “10 years ago, Republicans were the party of big business and Dems stood for the little guys, but today the tables have completely turned.”
- pabs3 2y ago
  Why not self-host open source software instead of adding a critical dependency on a third-party?
OgsyedIE 2y ago
I think there needs to be identification and marketing of whatever EU agencies are already focusing on these issues. In discussing policy solution hypotheticals for the US, bodies like the Department of Commerce, the FCC and OSHA are household names but I've lived in Ireland for years and can only name Euratom off the top of my head and need the use of a search engine to get the names of any other EU agencies.
- FirmwareBurner 2y ago
  There's no EU OHSA, each country has its own with different regulations.
  - OgsyedIE 2y ago
    Contrary to the claim that there is no EU OSHA, I was quite surprised to learn that there is an EU agency with the same role as the American OSHA that is literally named EU-OSHA, and I suspect you'll be pleasantly surprised too. Wikipedia link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Agency_for_Safety_and_Health_at_Work https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Agency_for_Safety_and...
    - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
      That's not the same thing. EU orgs like that only serve to guide policies and campaigns but they have no enforcement, it doesn't do investigations and dish out fines. If you see a OSHA violation at your workplace you have to go to the local authority in your member county which has different rules than each other country.
- 1oooqooq 2y ago
  decades(!) ago there was a German documentary about exactly this. on how the eu commission dictate the tone and everyone fall in line. the director of IT for the eu commission at the time is now responsible for HR. where people critical of this are barred with a "no political knowledge" stamp, which is the eu commission equivalent of "not a techbro culture fit" in silicon valley.
rurban 2y ago
So the EU Microsoft countries are: Austria, Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden, Finland, Norway.
Havoc 2y ago
Isn’t that true for the entire world? I’d imagine most of the sysadmin world globally just straight up collapses if Active Directory and Office disappears

24 points by taubek 2y ago

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djoldman 2y ago

Topic-adjacent: do tariffs exist for cross-border services like consulting, accounting, legal, cloud services, etc.?

IAmBroom 2y ago
My understanding is that the Euro Alliance is a tariff-free zone: workers and goods from within the Euro Zone are not taxable.
Arnt 2y ago
General tariffs exist, e.g. the "10% on everything" that you probably have read about recently. "Everything" includes immaterial imports such as paying for consulting when the consulting company is in another country.
- senko 2y ago
  While in general this comment is true (you could, in theory, apply tariffs to services), the recent American "10% on everything" are in fact only for goods. Source: consulting from another country, have US clients.
  - Arnt 2y ago
    Sorry, my bad. I don't think I've ever seen a tariff being applied to consulting, have you? I remember a contract that escaped tariffs because the subject was excepted from an exception from an exception, which suggests that slightly different work would be covered, because the deepest exception would not apply. But in the event, my/our consulting was covered by the deepest exception.
    - senko 2y ago
      I haven't either. I do know there's a default 30% withholding tax on stuff like IP licensing, but that's different from tariffs (it's just income tax on digital goods, and usually lower for countries that have tax deals with the US (to avoid double taxation).

edweis 2y ago

We've been looking to migrate away from FastMail and we are considering Proton Mail. More alternatives there: https://european-alternatives.eu/category/email-providers https://european-alternatives.eu/category/email-providers

7bit 2y ago
Ah Proton Mail. Supporter of Trump and Republicans. With the CEOs statement at the start of this year, that company died for me and I would not move any critical services to it: > “10 years ago, Republicans were the party of big business and Dems stood for the little guys, but today the tables have completely turned.”
pabs3 2y ago
Why not self-host open source software instead of adding a critical dependency on a third-party?

OgsyedIE 2y ago

I think there needs to be identification and marketing of whatever EU agencies are already focusing on these issues. In discussing policy solution hypotheticals for the US, bodies like the Department of Commerce, the FCC and OSHA are household names but I've lived in Ireland for years and can only name Euratom off the top of my head and need the use of a search engine to get the names of any other EU agencies.

FirmwareBurner 2y ago
There's no EU OHSA, each country has its own with different regulations.
- OgsyedIE 2y ago
  Contrary to the claim that there is no EU OSHA, I was quite surprised to learn that there is an EU agency with the same role as the American OSHA that is literally named EU-OSHA, and I suspect you'll be pleasantly surprised too. Wikipedia link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Agency_for_Safety_and_Health_at_Work https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Agency_for_Safety_and...
  - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
    That's not the same thing. EU orgs like that only serve to guide policies and campaigns but they have no enforcement, it doesn't do investigations and dish out fines. If you see a OSHA violation at your workplace you have to go to the local authority in your member county which has different rules than each other country.
1oooqooq 2y ago
decades(!) ago there was a German documentary about exactly this. on how the eu commission dictate the tone and everyone fall in line. the director of IT for the eu commission at the time is now responsible for HR. where people critical of this are barred with a "no political knowledge" stamp, which is the eu commission equivalent of "not a techbro culture fit" in silicon valley.

rurban 2y ago

So the EU Microsoft countries are: Austria, Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden, Finland, Norway.

Havoc 2y ago

Isn’t that true for the entire world? I’d imagine most of the sysadmin world globally just straight up collapses if Active Directory and Office disappears