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-> Power outage -> Wild guess that Russia has been doing it, 0 proof or even hint -> "This is a war of agression, we should respond" Are you suggesting to atta

-> Power outage -> Wild guess that Russia has been doing it, 0 proof or even hint -> "This is a war of agression, we should respond" Are you suggesting to attack Russia, based on absolute thin air?

sofixa 1y ago
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- sph 1y ago
  As much as I am anti-Russia and against the invasion, this is absolutely not the place to start this flame war.
  - sofixa 1y ago
    The thread I answered in had someone playing dumb as if there would be no reason whatsoever to consider Russia a hostile actor, I was responding to that.
    - mardifoufs 1y ago
      That's not what you said though. And it's still a baseless accusation. It's similar to accusing Israel or the US of every single coup d'état or sabotage action just because they have a huge history of doing that. In both cases it's completely baseless unless there's evidence.
      - sofixa 1y ago
        That's exactly what I said - Russia is a hostile actor that has given plenty of reasons for war, regardless if they're involved in this, which neither me nor anyone else knows.
        mardifoufs 1y ago
        War by who? Who do you think should declare war on Russia? And as another comment said, are you volunteering? You can even wage war against Russia now if you want to, volunteers in Ukraine are always welcome.
        sofixa 1y ago
        > War by who By the international community of course. The same one that has heavily sanctioned Russia. > And as another comment said, are you volunteering? You can even wage war against Russia now if you want to, volunteers in Ukraine are always welcome. That's just a cheap deflection. Me dying in the trenches won't change anything; a coordinated properly aggressive response might teach the war criminals at the Kremlin that they will not be let off. It's just a repeat of Munich/Ethiopia, and no individual at our level can do anything about it but advocate for change in policy to our governments.
        mardifoufs 1y ago
        It's not a cheap deflection. You want other people to die in the trenches or worse, to die in a nuclear war. The deflection is to say that "your life won't change anything", which I mean sure yes, but that's what every single war mongers that doesn't want to fight the wars that they promote say. If everyone said that, no one would be fighting against Russia right now. And it's funny to say that it's a repeat of Munich / Ethiopia. Again, war mongers will always prefer comparing to the few times where war was the only solution. The only issue is that not only do both situations have nothing in common (not that anyone cared about Ethiopia, since European colonialism in Africa was nothing new), but it also erases the fact that we are talking about nuclear powers here. If Hitler had nuclear weapons pointed at London and New York back in 1938, then obviously the equation wouldn't be as simple as "stop him now" even with hindsight lol.
        sofixa 1y ago
        > You want other people to die in the trenches or worse, to die in a nuclear war Other people are dying, and more people will until the aggressor is stop. The aggressor has shown loud and clear he has no intention of stopping. > Again, war mongers will always prefer comparing to the few times where war was the only solution Because the situation is comparable. Putin has clear and overt ambitions for further expansion (one of his minions already published the plans with Moldova next). If he isn't stopped, like he wasn't in Georgia and Crimea, he'll just continue. So the comparison is very apt. Yes, nuclear weapons add a serious nee dimension to the problem. That doesn't mean we should let Putin get away with war crimes. Edited to add: https://kyivindependent.com/russia-military-building-up-at-finlands-border-over-potential-nato-clash-wsj-reports/ https://kyivindependent.com/russia-military-building-up-at-f...
- suracii 1y ago
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- postexitus 1y ago
  Amazing! We need more volunteers on the frontline: https://www.volunteeringukraine.com/en/volunteering-opportunities https://www.volunteeringukraine.com/en/volunteering-opportun...
somelamer567 1y ago
> thin air Except for the mountain of evil, violent, underhanded and illegal stuff Russia keeps getting caught doing, and has so far escaped scot-free due to Western cowardice?
- mardifoufs 1y ago
  No, they were suggesting attacking it based on speculation about this specific event, so yes out of thin air. I agree that Russia is evil, but saying that it got away with it Scot free is just insane. In fact it even plays into Russian propaganda, to say that nothing really harmed them even after the past 3 years of international sanctions and consequences. And western cowardice? Apart from nuclear war (which I'm glad people are being "cowardly" about), what do you suggest? It's also funny when war mongers online talk about cowardice. Why dont you go volunteer in Ukraine if you're such a non coward?
  - somelamer567 1y ago
    > Apart from nuclear war > It's also funny when war mongers online talk about cowardice > Why dont you go volunteer in Ukraine if you're such a non coward? This is an impressive feat. You've managed to package not one -- not two -- but THREE Russian propaganda talking points into a single paragraph. I believe I've just witnessed the second coming of Alexander Pushkin.
    - mardifoufs 1y ago
      And you've managed to pull the typical online war mongers deflection of calling me a Russian shill. Let's say you're right, I'm a complete Russian shill (nevermind that I completely abhor the Russian regime since their intervention in Syria, and think that Putin belongs to the Hague tribunal). Are you going to actually dismiss the fact that yes, nuclear war would be a very likely possibility if we declared war against Russia? Much more likely than... Not doing that? Or are you going to use the Reddit argument that somehow, it just won't happen because trust me bro, and only Russian shill would care about getting nuclear bombed? And yes, it's cowardly to call people cowards because they won't push for a war that you yourself won't fight. I didn't bring up cowardice first by the way, but I guess it's fine to do it when you agree with the person lol.

-> Power outage -> Wild guess that Russia has been doing it, 0 proof or even hint -> "This is a war of agression, we should respond" Are you suggesting to attack Russia, based on absolute thin air?

sofixa 1y ago

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sph 1y ago
As much as I am anti-Russia and against the invasion, this is absolutely not the place to start this flame war.
- sofixa 1y ago
  The thread I answered in had someone playing dumb as if there would be no reason whatsoever to consider Russia a hostile actor, I was responding to that.
  - mardifoufs 1y ago
    That's not what you said though. And it's still a baseless accusation. It's similar to accusing Israel or the US of every single coup d'état or sabotage action just because they have a huge history of doing that. In both cases it's completely baseless unless there's evidence.
    - sofixa 1y ago
      That's exactly what I said - Russia is a hostile actor that has given plenty of reasons for war, regardless if they're involved in this, which neither me nor anyone else knows.
      - mardifoufs 1y ago
        War by who? Who do you think should declare war on Russia? And as another comment said, are you volunteering? You can even wage war against Russia now if you want to, volunteers in Ukraine are always welcome.
        sofixa 1y ago
        > War by who By the international community of course. The same one that has heavily sanctioned Russia. > And as another comment said, are you volunteering? You can even wage war against Russia now if you want to, volunteers in Ukraine are always welcome. That's just a cheap deflection. Me dying in the trenches won't change anything; a coordinated properly aggressive response might teach the war criminals at the Kremlin that they will not be let off. It's just a repeat of Munich/Ethiopia, and no individual at our level can do anything about it but advocate for change in policy to our governments.
        mardifoufs 1y ago
        It's not a cheap deflection. You want other people to die in the trenches or worse, to die in a nuclear war. The deflection is to say that "your life won't change anything", which I mean sure yes, but that's what every single war mongers that doesn't want to fight the wars that they promote say. If everyone said that, no one would be fighting against Russia right now. And it's funny to say that it's a repeat of Munich / Ethiopia. Again, war mongers will always prefer comparing to the few times where war was the only solution. The only issue is that not only do both situations have nothing in common (not that anyone cared about Ethiopia, since European colonialism in Africa was nothing new), but it also erases the fact that we are talking about nuclear powers here. If Hitler had nuclear weapons pointed at London and New York back in 1938, then obviously the equation wouldn't be as simple as "stop him now" even with hindsight lol.
        sofixa 1y ago
        > You want other people to die in the trenches or worse, to die in a nuclear war Other people are dying, and more people will until the aggressor is stop. The aggressor has shown loud and clear he has no intention of stopping. > Again, war mongers will always prefer comparing to the few times where war was the only solution Because the situation is comparable. Putin has clear and overt ambitions for further expansion (one of his minions already published the plans with Moldova next). If he isn't stopped, like he wasn't in Georgia and Crimea, he'll just continue. So the comparison is very apt. Yes, nuclear weapons add a serious nee dimension to the problem. That doesn't mean we should let Putin get away with war crimes. Edited to add: https://kyivindependent.com/russia-military-building-up-at-finlands-border-over-potential-nato-clash-wsj-reports/ https://kyivindependent.com/russia-military-building-up-at-f...
suracii 1y ago
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postexitus 1y ago
Amazing! We need more volunteers on the frontline: https://www.volunteeringukraine.com/en/volunteering-opportunities https://www.volunteeringukraine.com/en/volunteering-opportun...

somelamer567 1y ago

> thin air Except for the mountain of evil, violent, underhanded and illegal stuff Russia keeps getting caught doing, and has so far escaped scot-free due to Western cowardice?

mardifoufs 1y ago
No, they were suggesting attacking it based on speculation about this specific event, so yes out of thin air. I agree that Russia is evil, but saying that it got away with it Scot free is just insane. In fact it even plays into Russian propaganda, to say that nothing really harmed them even after the past 3 years of international sanctions and consequences. And western cowardice? Apart from nuclear war (which I'm glad people are being "cowardly" about), what do you suggest? It's also funny when war mongers online talk about cowardice. Why dont you go volunteer in Ukraine if you're such a non coward?
- somelamer567 1y ago
  > Apart from nuclear war > It's also funny when war mongers online talk about cowardice > Why dont you go volunteer in Ukraine if you're such a non coward? This is an impressive feat. You've managed to package not one -- not two -- but THREE Russian propaganda talking points into a single paragraph. I believe I've just witnessed the second coming of Alexander Pushkin.
  - mardifoufs 1y ago
    And you've managed to pull the typical online war mongers deflection of calling me a Russian shill. Let's say you're right, I'm a complete Russian shill (nevermind that I completely abhor the Russian regime since their intervention in Syria, and think that Putin belongs to the Hague tribunal). Are you going to actually dismiss the fact that yes, nuclear war would be a very likely possibility if we declared war against Russia? Much more likely than... Not doing that? Or are you going to use the Reddit argument that somehow, it just won't happen because trust me bro, and only Russian shill would care about getting nuclear bombed? And yes, it's cowardly to call people cowards because they won't push for a war that you yourself won't fight. I didn't bring up cowardice first by the way, but I guess it's fine to do it when you agree with the person lol.