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> They need ways to eliminate chunks of the applications. Illogical ways of eliminating candidates are acceptable because they are better than having no way An

> They need ways to eliminate chunks of the applications. Illogical ways of eliminating candidates are acceptable because they are better than having no way And this is how Apple/Google end up rejecting candidates to work on open source libraries...despite the candidates being the very authors they are wed out as they haven't spent months preparing for the interview.

VirusNewbie 2y ago
Google and Apple don't have degree requirements, there are many of us working there as engineers without any college, much less a CS degree.
- platevoltage 2y ago
  Can you confidently say that they don't use degrees to rank candidates in any way?
  - VirusNewbie 2y ago
    oh, for L3 or entry level, I'm sure they do. But they didn't even ask me about a degree, in fact my boss didn't ask until a year after i'd been working for him. So yes, there isn't a degree requirement, and for senior+ people, they don't care at all. For lower then that, I can't say, i'm sure it matters more the lower the level.
    - platevoltage 2y ago
      but do you have a degree? and if so, was it on your resume. The place where I always got stuck was getting that first call. In the few interviews that I've had, I've done okay. I've moved past the technical interview in every case, although besides my internship, I wasn't given an offer. I was wondering if they use degrees to rank applications.
      - VirusNewbie 2y ago
        >but do you have a degree No degree. I left any mention of college off my resume, and only included the last 12+ years of relevant experience and was able to get an interview. I have also done extensive open source work though, as well.
- zerr 2y ago
  Degree is required for H1B visa applicants.
john-h-k 2y ago
Is this referring to homebrew? On the one hand i get it, but on the other hand reversing a binary tree isn’t some crazy leetcode grind. Most people can figure it out in a few mins and i think its fair to reject someone who can’t
- epolanski 2y ago
  No there's nothing fair into rejecting the author of homebrew (but he wasn't alone) to work on homebrew. It's beyond silly.
  - john-h-k 2y ago
    He wasn't rejected for a role working on homebrew. He was rejected from google for an unrelated role > answer by himself: https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-logic-behind-Google-rejecting-Max-Howell-the-author-of-Homebrew-for-not-being-able-to-invert-a-binary-tree/answer/Max-Howell?share=100e0bb6&srid=unBJ9 https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-logic-behind-Google-rejectin...
- dogleash 2y ago
  It's not one instance. Most people who have this happen to them don't tweet about it. Every instance could have a "well, you should have ______ better" stapled to it. Here's another one that I already know exists off the top of my head -- the only thing I have to look up is the tweet url: https://twitter.com/tiangolo/status/1281946592459853830 https://twitter.com/tiangolo/status/1281946592459853830
  - john-h-k 2y ago
    I don't think is apple/google. This sounds like the kind of thing small companies do. I would be very surprised if that was FAANG I am not a fan of leetcode interviews myself, but I don't think the FAANG process is that bad. I am interested in any specific examples of authors of projects being rejected from big-tech companies for a role where they would work on their own thing
- wanderer11 2y ago
scarface_74 2y ago
If you are referring to the author of HomeBrew https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-logic-behind-Google-rejecting-Max-Howell-the-author-of-Homebrew-for-not-being-able-to-invert-a-binary-tree/answer/Max-Howell?share=100e0bb6&srid=unBJ9 https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-logic-behind-Google-rejectin... He admitted later that Google was probably right for not hiring him.
- xaoz 2y ago
  Well, perhaps not quite :D > But ultimately, should Google have hired me? Yes, absolutely yes. I am often a dick, I am often difficult, I often don’t know computer science, but. BUT. I make really good things, maybe they aren't perfect, but people really like them. Surely, surely Google could have used that. But he did add some nuance to the situation

VirusNewbie 2y ago

Google and Apple don't have degree requirements, there are many of us working there as engineers without any college, much less a CS degree.

platevoltage 2y ago
Can you confidently say that they don't use degrees to rank candidates in any way?
- VirusNewbie 2y ago
  oh, for L3 or entry level, I'm sure they do. But they didn't even ask me about a degree, in fact my boss didn't ask until a year after i'd been working for him. So yes, there isn't a degree requirement, and for senior+ people, they don't care at all. For lower then that, I can't say, i'm sure it matters more the lower the level.
  - platevoltage 2y ago
    but do you have a degree? and if so, was it on your resume. The place where I always got stuck was getting that first call. In the few interviews that I've had, I've done okay. I've moved past the technical interview in every case, although besides my internship, I wasn't given an offer. I was wondering if they use degrees to rank applications.
    - VirusNewbie 2y ago
      >but do you have a degree No degree. I left any mention of college off my resume, and only included the last 12+ years of relevant experience and was able to get an interview. I have also done extensive open source work though, as well.
zerr 2y ago
Degree is required for H1B visa applicants.

john-h-k 2y ago

Is this referring to homebrew? On the one hand i get it, but on the other hand reversing a binary tree isn’t some crazy leetcode grind. Most people can figure it out in a few mins and i think its fair to reject someone who can’t

epolanski 2y ago
No there's nothing fair into rejecting the author of homebrew (but he wasn't alone) to work on homebrew. It's beyond silly.
- john-h-k 2y ago
  He wasn't rejected for a role working on homebrew. He was rejected from google for an unrelated role > answer by himself: https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-logic-behind-Google-rejecting-Max-Howell-the-author-of-Homebrew-for-not-being-able-to-invert-a-binary-tree/answer/Max-Howell?share=100e0bb6&srid=unBJ9 https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-logic-behind-Google-rejectin...
dogleash 2y ago
It's not one instance. Most people who have this happen to them don't tweet about it. Every instance could have a "well, you should have ______ better" stapled to it. Here's another one that I already know exists off the top of my head -- the only thing I have to look up is the tweet url: https://twitter.com/tiangolo/status/1281946592459853830 https://twitter.com/tiangolo/status/1281946592459853830
- john-h-k 2y ago
  I don't think is apple/google. This sounds like the kind of thing small companies do. I would be very surprised if that was FAANG I am not a fan of leetcode interviews myself, but I don't think the FAANG process is that bad. I am interested in any specific examples of authors of projects being rejected from big-tech companies for a role where they would work on their own thing
wanderer11 2y ago

scarface_74 2y ago

If you are referring to the author of HomeBrew https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-logic-behind-Google-rejecting-Max-Howell-the-author-of-Homebrew-for-not-being-able-to-invert-a-binary-tree/answer/Max-Howell?share=100e0bb6&srid=unBJ9 https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-logic-behind-Google-rejectin... He admitted later that Google was probably right for not hiring him.

xaoz 2y ago
Well, perhaps not quite :D > But ultimately, should Google have hired me? Yes, absolutely yes. I am often a dick, I am often difficult, I often don’t know computer science, but. BUT. I make really good things, maybe they aren't perfect, but people really like them. Surely, surely Google could have used that. But he did add some nuance to the situation