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by watwut 2y ago

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handoflixue 2y ago
> Funny how people like you never ever use the same power to force left or liberal speakers. It is ok to boycott or criticize those. Do you know OP personally? Do you really think it's reasonable to assume that everyone in the universe (except for you, perhaps) is a hypocrite like this? There's plenty of people that feel the administrative force of the university shouldn't be used to suppress either side. Let the gun club invite Luigi. Let the trans club invite the Stonewall rioters. You're welcome to say you dislike the speaker. You don't have to attend. But you shouldn't have the authority to stop other people from inviting them to speak, or to stop other people from listening.
- aaomidi 2y ago
  So, you’re saying basic protesting and sitins shouldn’t be allowed? Nah I’m sorry disrupting other events is a cornerstone of freedom of speech.
- watwut 2y ago
  I don't need to know OP personally. The knee jerk "right is the way they are because of the left" gives the game away. Left is responsible for ehat they so and never ever excused with "right made them do it". Not even when they were 100% right in the hindsight. Right is not responsible for what they do. They are victims of circumstances even when they caused the circumstances.
  - _DeadFred_ 2y ago
    I see it not as 'right is the way they are because' but 'this is what the right exploited, and I too allowed myself to go down a crappy path'. It's a pretty brave, honest, and self reflective post.
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  - handoflixue 2y ago
    I don't think it's at all helpful to think of political groups as monolithic stereotypes like this.
e40 2y ago
I think we got the far right reality of today by liberals completely ignoring working class pain and appearing to solely focus on a controversial minority. I say appearing because they didn’t seem to do anything else. This allowed the current administration to step in by promising something different, with no intention of delivering anything but tax relief for the wealthy and unchaining corporations from those pesky regulations that prevent higher profits.
- aaomidi 2y ago
  The majority of people on the left want M4A, higher minimum wage, less income inequality. The politicians that represent them do not care. They get their seats secured as long as they toe the billionaire line. We have no real opposition party in the US.
neilv 2y ago
IIRC, there was an invited talk at the unversity, and some student organized people to go in to the talk and disrupt it, such that the speaker literally couldn't be heard. That's not the student exercising their free speech. It's the student denying the benefit of free speech to their fellow students and the rest of the university. The university apparently hadn't yet educated the student on the basics of university, and there was not yet any sign that the university was going to. Reporting followed up with the student, when they promoted their personal brand, and solicited funding to continue their fight. (You might be happy to know that, instead of my modest donation going to the university with the student who thought a first-rate university was the place to ignore the fundamentals they teach, and instead play self-promoting influencer... IIRC, that was the year the money went to a homeless trans person, who'd been through more hell than most people can imagine, and who needed a discreet laptop so that they could practice coding job skills, but without the laptop getting violently stolen from them in whatever shelter they could get into. I'm not making this up, and the contrast was striking.) Regarding your other comments, much of the rabid left didn't seem to be acting as the savvy political operators you suggest: a whole lot of people were mindlessly flinging their poo, and playing right into the hands of some of the worst of their adversaries. Maybe it was partly a combination of crisis mode over the best of intentions (e.g., help those who need help), and anger and fatigue from same (which I certainly felt), but there also seemed to be a whole lot of not knowing any other mode of reasoning or acting. Maybe that's not their fault -- you might blame the deterioration of popular journalism, social media sites preying upon their users, and a dearth of visible role models demonstrating anything else -- but that seems to be where we are, for large slices of the vocal population. And there's been a lot of counterproductive.
- watwut 2y ago
  I am not saying they are super savy. I am saying they were right about the right. They were right, because they were not determined to excuse dveryone on the right up to absurdum and because they read what right actually said. Moderate right and center consistently and always excused far right and refused to beloeve it exists even when it was completely apparent. And consistently deployed double standards where right was excused and left acts massively exaggerated.
dang 2y ago
> Funny how people like you never ever > people like you always This crosses into personal attack and you can't do that here. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and edit out such swipes in the future, as the rules ask, we'd appreciate it. Edit: this has unfortunately increasingly been a problem with your account lately: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43261348 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43261348 (March 2025) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43152094 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43152094 (Feb 2025) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43147710 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43147710 (Feb 2025) You've made many fine contributions to HN in the past and I don't recall your account having been involved in so much ideological and political flamewar. Could you please fix this? It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

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by watwut 2y ago

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> Funny how people like you never ever use the same power to force left or liberal speakers. It is ok to boycott or criticize those. Do you know OP personally? Do you really think it's reasonable to assume that everyone in the universe (except for you, perhaps) is a hypocrite like this? There's plenty of people that feel the administrative force of the university shouldn't be used to suppress either side. Let the gun club invite Luigi. Let the trans club invite the Stonewall rioters. You're welcome to say you dislike the speaker. You don't have to attend. But you shouldn't have the authority to stop other people from inviting them to speak, or to stop other people from listening.

aaomidi 2y ago
So, you’re saying basic protesting and sitins shouldn’t be allowed? Nah I’m sorry disrupting other events is a cornerstone of freedom of speech.
watwut 2y ago
I don't need to know OP personally. The knee jerk "right is the way they are because of the left" gives the game away. Left is responsible for ehat they so and never ever excused with "right made them do it". Not even when they were 100% right in the hindsight. Right is not responsible for what they do. They are victims of circumstances even when they caused the circumstances.
- _DeadFred_ 2y ago
  I see it not as 'right is the way they are because' but 'this is what the right exploited, and I too allowed myself to go down a crappy path'. It's a pretty brave, honest, and self reflective post.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
- handoflixue 2y ago
  I don't think it's at all helpful to think of political groups as monolithic stereotypes like this.

e40 2y ago

I think we got the far right reality of today by liberals completely ignoring working class pain and appearing to solely focus on a controversial minority. I say appearing because they didn’t seem to do anything else. This allowed the current administration to step in by promising something different, with no intention of delivering anything but tax relief for the wealthy and unchaining corporations from those pesky regulations that prevent higher profits.

aaomidi 2y ago
The majority of people on the left want M4A, higher minimum wage, less income inequality. The politicians that represent them do not care. They get their seats secured as long as they toe the billionaire line. We have no real opposition party in the US.

neilv 2y ago

IIRC, there was an invited talk at the unversity, and some student organized people to go in to the talk and disrupt it, such that the speaker literally couldn't be heard. That's not the student exercising their free speech. It's the student denying the benefit of free speech to their fellow students and the rest of the university. The university apparently hadn't yet educated the student on the basics of university, and there was not yet any sign that the university was going to. Reporting followed up with the student, when they promoted their personal brand, and solicited funding to continue their fight. (You might be happy to know that, instead of my modest donation going to the university with the student who thought a first-rate university was the place to ignore the fundamentals they teach, and instead play self-promoting influencer... IIRC, that was the year the money went to a homeless trans person, who'd been through more hell than most people can imagine, and who needed a discreet laptop so that they could practice coding job skills, but without the laptop getting violently stolen from them in whatever shelter they could get into. I'm not making this up, and the contrast was striking.) Regarding your other comments, much of the rabid left didn't seem to be acting as the savvy political operators you suggest: a whole lot of people were mindlessly flinging their poo, and playing right into the hands of some of the worst of their adversaries. Maybe it was partly a combination of crisis mode over the best of intentions (e.g., help those who need help), and anger and fatigue from same (which I certainly felt), but there also seemed to be a whole lot of not knowing any other mode of reasoning or acting. Maybe that's not their fault -- you might blame the deterioration of popular journalism, social media sites preying upon their users, and a dearth of visible role models demonstrating anything else -- but that seems to be where we are, for large slices of the vocal population. And there's been a lot of counterproductive.

watwut 2y ago
I am not saying they are super savy. I am saying they were right about the right. They were right, because they were not determined to excuse dveryone on the right up to absurdum and because they read what right actually said. Moderate right and center consistently and always excused far right and refused to beloeve it exists even when it was completely apparent. And consistently deployed double standards where right was excused and left acts massively exaggerated.

dang 2y ago

> Funny how people like you never ever > people like you always This crosses into personal attack and you can't do that here. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and edit out such swipes in the future, as the rules ask, we'd appreciate it. Edit: this has unfortunately increasingly been a problem with your account lately: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43261348 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43261348 (March 2025) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43152094 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43152094 (Feb 2025) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43147710 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43147710 (Feb 2025) You've made many fine contributions to HN in the past and I don't recall your account having been involved in so much ideological and political flamewar. Could you please fix this? It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.