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> only coding can get paid reasonably If you happen to work for a company that's big enough to pay reasonably. And even that is still a very temporary accident

> only coding can get paid reasonably If you happen to work for a company that's big enough to pay reasonably. And even that is still a very temporary accident of times. There was a time with plenty (comparatively to today) of tailors, living very reasonably, because there was a demand, and the means. Today, you're lucky if you manage to find one that's in your city, and even more if he/she's not too expensive (that is, compared to ready-made stuff).

varjag 1y ago
Come on, coding is universally at a premium compared to other trades. Naturally you wouldn't have a FAANG salary at an outsourcing farm overseas but it'll certainly provide you with comfortable living by local standards.
- Juliate 1y ago
  > coding is universally at a premium compared to other trades It has been and it still is at this time. Just saying that it won't last. The existential threat, and perpetual adaptation to technology musicians (classical as well as contemporary) have met since the invention of sound recording and its developments, is coming for software developers too.
  - baud147258 1y ago
    > perpetual adaptation to technology musicians have met Didn't it also went with an important reduction in the number of people who could make a living out of that?
    - Juliate 1y ago
      Precisely.
soco 1y ago
Like you almost spelled out, tailors were never competing with ready-made. Clothing used to be expensive, until people (sometimes children) working for pennies were able to send to you across long distances something good enough to wear.
milesrout 1y ago
I'm not sure that is actually true about tailors. My understanding is that most clothing was homemade. I assume people didnt generally make their own shoes but they made their own textiles and basic garments and most people didnt have many garments. Maybe there is a specific time period you are referring to where this was common but as I understand it, pre-industrially there were very few artisans selling products for money. Clothes were made largely by women and girls for their families.
- foobarian 1y ago
  Be that as it may, there definitely used to be more tailors.
- 9rx 1y ago
  Presumably he is referring to the industrialization period when suits were the everyday fashion. Once we moved on to baggy jeans and sweatpants, where the fit doesn't matter much, then the tailor was no longer relevant.
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  - Juliate 1y ago
    Yes, I'm referring to what we could call the golden age of tailoring, around 1800-1970. You could say it was brief, relative to humanity history, indeed, as a transition period between cottage/home textile manufacturing as well as sewing, and high (and accelerating) automation managed by fewer people and lots of low-paid workers (as it is today). And such is the trajectory for software development, a brief golden age, between the moment where computers barely existed, and the moment where automation/acceleration takes over. It won't eliminate software development, but it won't require as many people as it does today. Some "local" artisan shops, highly skilled, and more expensive, may still exist. But the capital currently feeling high tech salaries will inevitably seek new/other growth opportunities, as it has always done with other growth drivers.

varjag 1y ago

Come on, coding is universally at a premium compared to other trades. Naturally you wouldn't have a FAANG salary at an outsourcing farm overseas but it'll certainly provide you with comfortable living by local standards.

Juliate 1y ago
> coding is universally at a premium compared to other trades It has been and it still is at this time. Just saying that it won't last. The existential threat, and perpetual adaptation to technology musicians (classical as well as contemporary) have met since the invention of sound recording and its developments, is coming for software developers too.
- baud147258 1y ago
  > perpetual adaptation to technology musicians have met Didn't it also went with an important reduction in the number of people who could make a living out of that?
  - Juliate 1y ago
    Precisely.

soco 1y ago

Like you almost spelled out, tailors were never competing with ready-made. Clothing used to be expensive, until people (sometimes children) working for pennies were able to send to you across long distances something good enough to wear.

milesrout 1y ago

I'm not sure that is actually true about tailors. My understanding is that most clothing was homemade. I assume people didnt generally make their own shoes but they made their own textiles and basic garments and most people didnt have many garments. Maybe there is a specific time period you are referring to where this was common but as I understand it, pre-industrially there were very few artisans selling products for money. Clothes were made largely by women and girls for their families.

foobarian 1y ago
Be that as it may, there definitely used to be more tailors.
9rx 1y ago
Presumably he is referring to the industrialization period when suits were the everyday fashion. Once we moved on to baggy jeans and sweatpants, where the fit doesn't matter much, then the tailor was no longer relevant.
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- Juliate 1y ago
  Yes, I'm referring to what we could call the golden age of tailoring, around 1800-1970. You could say it was brief, relative to humanity history, indeed, as a transition period between cottage/home textile manufacturing as well as sewing, and high (and accelerating) automation managed by fewer people and lots of low-paid workers (as it is today). And such is the trajectory for software development, a brief golden age, between the moment where computers barely existed, and the moment where automation/acceleration takes over. It won't eliminate software development, but it won't require as many people as it does today. Some "local" artisan shops, highly skilled, and more expensive, may still exist. But the capital currently feeling high tech salaries will inevitably seek new/other growth opportunities, as it has always done with other growth drivers.