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None of our front-end developer positions require knowledge of any server-side languages. I suppose it would be an advantage, but it's certainly not something w

by dawson 14y ago

None of our front-end developer positions require knowledge of any server-side languages. I suppose it would be an advantage, but it's certainly not something we look or advertise for (example of a recent front-end role we recruited for http://goo.gl/ZP6ZL http://goo.gl/ZP6ZL [howareyou.com]) Interesting question though and I look forward to seeing some of the responses. [Edit] I just asked one of our front-end contractors and she said it's not usually a requirement but most job advertisements she has replied to have said it would be desirable to at least know one (depending on their stack). So, I stand corrected.

peterchon 14y ago
Thank you for replying. I see that the advertised position require a lot of programing knowledge (not language specific) So this raises the question again. Are your UI/UX designer considered web designers? or is your front-end developer a web-designer? How does this: Events, Remote Data, DOM, Object Prototypes, Data Types and Scope, understanding of application side security models, client side app hardening, XSRF, etc. Apply to the daily function? What is it that the developer is building that he/she is required to know all of this? Aside from DOM, the other skills are more related to dynamic languages like JS or Rails/Python. How is this different then what a back-end developer does? Also: Help the UI/UX team to create visually attractive and highly usable web interfaces Shouldn't that be the sole purpose of a UI/UX team?
- dawson 14y ago
  My turn! What is a web-designer?
  - peterchon 14y ago
    I don't know, I feel like that's a antiquated, almost a derogatory term used by people who do not know any languages beyond HTML/CSS.
    - dawson 14y ago
      I agree and I'm just as confused. I got told off the other day for putting CSS/HTML in one of our RoR job descriptions, evidently a 'good/senior' RoR developer is back-end only and should not be expected to code HTML/CSS as that is now the domain of the front-end developer. I guess this is probably true, but just shows – I'm learning!
    - dsawler 14y ago
      But is a web designer a visual/graphic designer as well?
      - peterchon 14y ago
        I think it used to. Now I really don't know too many people who uses that term.
  - jfaucett 14y ago
    thought I'd just pitch in here :) My take on it is that a web designer is your Photoshop/Illustrator "Graphic Designer" guy, who loves the ins and outs of CSS and HTML, Layouts, and knows the newest CSS3 features, etc. Sometimes they might go a little into Javascript but usually not to any really deep levels. The Frontend Developer, in my mind, usually kind of takes off where the "Web Designer" fades out, handling complex Javascript Apps / UI, and AJAX. Besides deep AJAX/JS skills though usually the frontend devs skills start dwindling when it comes to enterprise level PHP / m2m in the DB, etc and thats where your Backend guys come in. Of course, that's all how I 'imagine' it conceptually, the fact is, unless your working for a large company, I think most web developers do all the above, and call themselves according to whatever area they like the most :)

by dawson 14y ago

peterchon 14y ago

Thank you for replying. I see that the advertised position require a lot of programing knowledge (not language specific) So this raises the question again. Are your UI/UX designer considered web designers? or is your front-end developer a web-designer? How does this: Events, Remote Data, DOM, Object Prototypes, Data Types and Scope, understanding of application side security models, client side app hardening, XSRF, etc. Apply to the daily function? What is it that the developer is building that he/she is required to know all of this? Aside from DOM, the other skills are more related to dynamic languages like JS or Rails/Python. How is this different then what a back-end developer does? Also: Help the UI/UX team to create visually attractive and highly usable web interfaces Shouldn't that be the sole purpose of a UI/UX team?

dawson 14y ago
My turn! What is a web-designer?
- peterchon 14y ago
  I don't know, I feel like that's a antiquated, almost a derogatory term used by people who do not know any languages beyond HTML/CSS.
  - dawson 14y ago
    I agree and I'm just as confused. I got told off the other day for putting CSS/HTML in one of our RoR job descriptions, evidently a 'good/senior' RoR developer is back-end only and should not be expected to code HTML/CSS as that is now the domain of the front-end developer. I guess this is probably true, but just shows – I'm learning!
  - dsawler 14y ago
    But is a web designer a visual/graphic designer as well?
    - peterchon 14y ago
      I think it used to. Now I really don't know too many people who uses that term.
- jfaucett 14y ago
  thought I'd just pitch in here :) My take on it is that a web designer is your Photoshop/Illustrator "Graphic Designer" guy, who loves the ins and outs of CSS and HTML, Layouts, and knows the newest CSS3 features, etc. Sometimes they might go a little into Javascript but usually not to any really deep levels. The Frontend Developer, in my mind, usually kind of takes off where the "Web Designer" fades out, handling complex Javascript Apps / UI, and AJAX. Besides deep AJAX/JS skills though usually the frontend devs skills start dwindling when it comes to enterprise level PHP / m2m in the DB, etc and thats where your Backend guys come in. Of course, that's all how I 'imagine' it conceptually, the fact is, unless your working for a large company, I think most web developers do all the above, and call themselves according to whatever area they like the most :)