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Being "natural" doesnt mean anything on relation to fear. Being eaten alive by lions is 100% natural too. Death is inevitable. So there is little to gain fro

Being "natural" doesnt mean anything on relation to fear. Being eaten alive by lions is 100% natural too. Death is inevitable. So there is little to gain from being too afraid of it, but i would never suggest that anyone not fear the unknown. That fear is what has kept us alive and evolving. The fear is natural.

LoganDark 2y ago
"If the tiger attempts to eat you, remember that you yourself are simply composed of atoms, and it is simply attempting to rearrange some of them for you."
bombcar 2y ago
If you offer euthanasia by hungry lions, you'll have takers.
- sandworm101 2y ago
  Not after i play them that tape of a man being eaten alive by a grizzly.
  - bmacho 2y ago
    They like those videos.
    - TeMPOraL 2y ago
      The lions?
      - bmacho 2y ago
        The people wanting to be devoured by lions.
caseyy 2y ago
I think death being natural lends a lot of credence to the idea that it’s normal — as normal as life. And I’d say most people probably don’t fear death or non-existence itself, but rather the process of dying (suffering, stress, pain, shame, loss of agency, the grief inflicted on others, etc). In palliative care settings, where the process of dying is well-managed (physically, emotionally, spiritually), people don’t seem to be that afraid. Many make peace. Or at least that’s the image painted by popular science articles on the matter. And speaking for myself, N=1 and all, I really do fear the process only, and not the conclusion. That’s why I think dignified death laws for these settings are important. And why I say I fear what society will put me through when it’s my time, if such laws aren’t passed. I am concerned in general about me living past my health-span. It’s a new concern for many, as medicine traditionally focused on prolonging lifespan. But now people are talking about how full of suffering life is when one doesn’t have whatever minimum of health they deem required to live, but are kept alive anyways. Sometimes agains their wishes. It’s just a macabre prolongation of the process of dying — something that really is scary. Or that’s what I’m afraid of, anyways. But I understand it’s a difficult and somewhat taboo topic in society, so apols if it offends.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > now people are talking about how full of suffering life is when one doesn’t have whatever minimum of health they deem required to live, but are kept alive anyways This is more a social anxiety than reflection of reality. To the extent we’re prolonging suffering, it’s on the order of weeks, maybe months. Not years. Most people fear death. That’s natural. Some of us, due to being stupid, depressed or possibly enlightened, don’t. But these fears evolved for obvious reasons.
  - caseyy 2y ago
    I disagree. There is increasing conversation in the medical community[0] about living past one’s health-span for years. While fear of death is widely considered universal, many people (for various reasons) fear death significantly less than others[1]. Fear of death levels appear to generally stabilize to low past 60 years of age. Many philosophies reject the fear of death, including some of our very popular religions. Only about half of terminally ill patients feel clinically significant death anxiety[2]. It is normal to not fear death without being depressed, enlightened, or stupid. I think it’s not so black and white as evolutionary psychology might suggest. [0] https://peterattiamd.com/outlive/ https://peterattiamd.com/outlive/ [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_anxiety https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_anxiety [2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35609222/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35609222/
JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> The fear is natural To be fair, we have evolved stupid eras, e.g. male adolescence, when that fear seems to be purposely tamped down.

LoganDark 2y ago

"If the tiger attempts to eat you, remember that you yourself are simply composed of atoms, and it is simply attempting to rearrange some of them for you."

bombcar 2y ago

If you offer euthanasia by hungry lions, you'll have takers.

sandworm101 2y ago
Not after i play them that tape of a man being eaten alive by a grizzly.
- bmacho 2y ago
  They like those videos.
  - TeMPOraL 2y ago
    The lions?
    - bmacho 2y ago
      The people wanting to be devoured by lions.

caseyy 2y ago

I think death being natural lends a lot of credence to the idea that it’s normal — as normal as life. And I’d say most people probably don’t fear death or non-existence itself, but rather the process of dying (suffering, stress, pain, shame, loss of agency, the grief inflicted on others, etc). In palliative care settings, where the process of dying is well-managed (physically, emotionally, spiritually), people don’t seem to be that afraid. Many make peace. Or at least that’s the image painted by popular science articles on the matter. And speaking for myself, N=1 and all, I really do fear the process only, and not the conclusion. That’s why I think dignified death laws for these settings are important. And why I say I fear what society will put me through when it’s my time, if such laws aren’t passed. I am concerned in general about me living past my health-span. It’s a new concern for many, as medicine traditionally focused on prolonging lifespan. But now people are talking about how full of suffering life is when one doesn’t have whatever minimum of health they deem required to live, but are kept alive anyways. Sometimes agains their wishes. It’s just a macabre prolongation of the process of dying — something that really is scary. Or that’s what I’m afraid of, anyways. But I understand it’s a difficult and somewhat taboo topic in society, so apols if it offends.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> now people are talking about how full of suffering life is when one doesn’t have whatever minimum of health they deem required to live, but are kept alive anyways This is more a social anxiety than reflection of reality. To the extent we’re prolonging suffering, it’s on the order of weeks, maybe months. Not years. Most people fear death. That’s natural. Some of us, due to being stupid, depressed or possibly enlightened, don’t. But these fears evolved for obvious reasons.
- caseyy 2y ago
  I disagree. There is increasing conversation in the medical community[0] about living past one’s health-span for years. While fear of death is widely considered universal, many people (for various reasons) fear death significantly less than others[1]. Fear of death levels appear to generally stabilize to low past 60 years of age. Many philosophies reject the fear of death, including some of our very popular religions. Only about half of terminally ill patients feel clinically significant death anxiety[2]. It is normal to not fear death without being depressed, enlightened, or stupid. I think it’s not so black and white as evolutionary psychology might suggest. [0] https://peterattiamd.com/outlive/ https://peterattiamd.com/outlive/ [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_anxiety https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_anxiety [2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35609222/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35609222/

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> The fear is natural To be fair, we have evolved stupid eras, e.g. male adolescence, when that fear seems to be purposely tamped down.