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I’ve never met a person taking high risk actions who thinks they are unqualified to do so. But they always think some other people are.
by shermantanktop 2y ago
I’ve never met a person taking high risk actions who thinks they are unqualified to do so. But they always think some other people are.
- ang_cire 2y agoThis is generally true for actions at every level of risk. Designing around how humans will actually behave is better than trying to artificially restrict everyone's behavior preemptively.
- TeMPOraL 2y ago[citation needed] Preemptively restricting the space of possible (or likely) situations is the cornerstone of designing safe systems.
- ang_cire 2y agoThere is a difference between design that tries to prevent someone from shooting themselves in the foot (designing around how users interact), and design that seeks to influence or limit their behavior. The former is safety, the latter is manipulation or restriction. Giving system owners RBAC controls so they can choose who is an admin, versus not giving system owners admin privileges at all. But more importantly, the point of my comment is that the axiom that everyone thinks themselves competent enough, is true at every level of risk. No matter how low risk something is, someone can and will still overestimate their capabilities and muck it up. If we're using that as justification to impose restrictions, there would be no actions that someone could not justify restricting.
- thatcat 2y agoThat seems like the result of a normal skill level distribution that allows some people to take more advanced actions at the same risk level. Interesting how there is never a push to punish people who actually cause wrecks with this technology.
- brightball 2y agoCar insurance does that
- thatcat 2y agoLol, that is pretty ineffective and mild compared to say pumishment for a dui. we need 6 months interlock attention monitoring for accident causers.
- yongjik 2y agoMore like a normal cognitive level distribution that let some people put themselves and bystanders in unnecessary danger because they "know" they can handle it.
- jl6 2y agoEvery boy racer thinks “look at me, controlling the vehicle easily at 90mph! I’m clearly amongst the high-skilled group!” but the skill that actually matters is reaction time to sudden unexpected hazards (and consequent need for stopping distance) and I don’t think most people get enough practice at that to be materially better than average at it.
- anon_e-moose 2y ago> the skill that actually matters is reaction time to sudden unexpected hazards (and consequent need for stopping distance) More important than that is actually learning to predict hazards. Over years of experience, what was unexpected becomes hedging risks. Tight corners in residential areas, parked cars blocking visibility, managing distance not just from the car in front of you but behind you. That obviously requires slowing down in those sections. One of the few places unrestricted speed makes sense, is a fully enclosed highway with very little traffic and enough lanes, during the daytime.
- socalgal2 2y agoI see those rarely, mostly (SoCal) I see people going much faster than other traffic on a 6 to 12 lane freeway that is packed with cars, cutting people off, swerving across lanes, not signaling, treating driving like a video game except the people they kill don't get to restart the game.
- mizzao 2y agoI forget the scientific term for this — but 95% of people think they are above average at doing X skill.
- toomuchtodo 2y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overconfidence_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overconfidence_effect
- LoganDark 2y agoIsn't this sort of just the Dunning-Kruger effect?
- Jensson 2y agoNo, Dunning Kruger is that skilled people are better at judging where they are on the skill spectrum.
- 6LLvveMx2koXfwn 2y agoThis also explains why the best engineers are also the best at admitting what they don't know. Which is something we have worked into our interviews - amazing how easy it is to spot a poor engineer by asking what their latest failure was.
- mizzao 2y agoI think that's the opposite of Dunning-Kruger — impostor syndrome, or maybe "curse of knowledge". When skilled people either underestimate how hard it is to do something, or gauge a complex task that they have expertise in as easier than it actually is.
- hwbehrens 2y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_superiority https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_superiority [Edit: Interesting that there are multiple effects, e.g. the sibling comment, that refer to similar but distinct phenomena!]
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- sksrbWgbfK 2y agoThis whole thread confirms it. Speed limits are always a burden for reckless drivers, but never an issue for people like me who drive under the limit. They should reflect on themselves about that but I doubt they are capable of it.
- allenrb 2y agoYou’re not American, are you? The number of roads marked 55 mph on which nearly every vehicle is moving 75 mph is very high. Driving under the speed limit would be hazardous to yourself and everyone else.
- ryao 2y agoOther countries tend to follow the 85th percentile for setting speed limits, so driving under the speed limit is actually safe there. People in them do not realize that a road that would be 140 km/h in Europe is 90 km/h in the U.S.
- ryao 2y agoI have tried driving at the speed limit in NYS. So many near collisions occurred from other drivers cutting me off that it was clear that the speed limit is unsafe.
- hightrix 2y agoDriving under the speed limit is just as dangerous as someone driving way over the speed limit on the freeway. If you are doing 45 on a California freeway, YOU are the danger. Not the car going 75. You.