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EV prices are just way too high. As a father of three, I can decide between a used BMW 2 which goes 1k km on a full tank, for €17k, and a Kia EV 7 seater for €7

by manmal 1y ago

EV prices are just way too high. As a father of three, I can decide between a used BMW 2 which goes 1k km on a full tank, for €17k, and a Kia EV 7 seater for €70k. Guess which one I went with. There are some other, cheaper, EV models with 7+ seats (40k+), but they charge so slow and need so much power in winter, you‘d get max 200km out of them and then need to charge 1h. Generally, most EVs you can buy in the EU are just 10-20k more expensive than their ICE counterparts, and incentive programs don’t make up for that difference.

constantcrying 1y ago
>I can decide between a used BMW 2 which goes 1k km on a full tank, for €17k, and a Kia EV 7 seater for €70k. Guess which one I went with. I assume you are talking about the family van 2 series? And not the sporty 2 door 2 series. (Why didn't you buy a Touran?) You are also comparing used car prices to new car prices which is pretty insane. >EV prices are just way too high. Sure.
- manmal 1y ago
  The Touran is quite a bit pricier than the 2er Grand Tourer, not sure why you are bringing it up. It’s an expensive car. > You are also comparing used car prices to new car prices which is pretty insane. I don’t care if the car is used or new tbh, I need 7 seats. I get that that’s not a super common situation, and that the comparison is unfair. The 2er was 40k when new. The thing is, there‘s basically no usable used 7 seater EVs in the non-crazy price range.
thebruce87m 1y ago
> a used BMW 2 which goes 1k km on a full tank, for €17k, and a Kia EV 7 seater for €70k A used lower end model from one manufacturer vs a new high end model from a different one doesn’t seem like a fair comparison.
- manmal 1y ago
  I only had this choice though, because the EV family van market has been underserved from the start, and there are no usable used EVs that qualify. I know it’s an unfair comparison, but a pragmatic one.
dzhiurgis 1y ago
I don't get the false equivalence. You are comparing compact car vs 7 seater. Besides 7 seaters are only must for families with 4 kids, AKA less than 10% of households. I have both - decent sized EV and an old 7 seater. I'd never want to take it for a road trip as EV is just far more comfortable and easier to drive (autopilot 90%+). Its sole purpose is to deal with family visits and when I need to tow something like twice a year.

by manmal 1y ago

constantcrying 1y ago

>I can decide between a used BMW 2 which goes 1k km on a full tank, for €17k, and a Kia EV 7 seater for €70k. Guess which one I went with. I assume you are talking about the family van 2 series? And not the sporty 2 door 2 series. (Why didn't you buy a Touran?) You are also comparing used car prices to new car prices which is pretty insane. >EV prices are just way too high. Sure.

manmal 1y ago
The Touran is quite a bit pricier than the 2er Grand Tourer, not sure why you are bringing it up. It’s an expensive car. > You are also comparing used car prices to new car prices which is pretty insane. I don’t care if the car is used or new tbh, I need 7 seats. I get that that’s not a super common situation, and that the comparison is unfair. The 2er was 40k when new. The thing is, there‘s basically no usable used 7 seater EVs in the non-crazy price range.

thebruce87m 1y ago

> a used BMW 2 which goes 1k km on a full tank, for €17k, and a Kia EV 7 seater for €70k A used lower end model from one manufacturer vs a new high end model from a different one doesn’t seem like a fair comparison.

manmal 1y ago
I only had this choice though, because the EV family van market has been underserved from the start, and there are no usable used EVs that qualify. I know it’s an unfair comparison, but a pragmatic one.

dzhiurgis 1y ago

I don't get the false equivalence. You are comparing compact car vs 7 seater. Besides 7 seaters are only must for families with 4 kids, AKA less than 10% of households. I have both - decent sized EV and an old 7 seater. I'd never want to take it for a road trip as EV is just far more comfortable and easier to drive (autopilot 90%+). Its sole purpose is to deal with family visits and when I need to tow something like twice a year.