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I appreciate the feedback! This stack does kinda assume you already know what Hono is but I can definitely flesh it out a bit more, and perhaps show some code t

I appreciate the feedback! This stack does kinda assume you already know what Hono is but I can definitely flesh it out a bit more, and perhaps show some code to demonstrate it.

VyseofArcadia 1y ago
I mean, I also don't know Bun and Vite. I've at least seen React. You should probably just explain the whole stack.
- Etheryte 1y ago
  This is like saying a Java library readme should start with what the JVM is. It's fine to not know these things, but the majority of this comes with the territory. Right now it sounds like you're simply not the target audience. The Github readme includes a link to all of the major bits, so I don't really see the problem.
  - pavlov 1y ago
    If you were trying to convince me to build a web app in Java, you wouldn’t need to explain what the JVM is, but you’d need to make a strong argument for why Java is better than the alternatives available in 2025. So the question is whether the target audience here is “people who want to build full-stack web apps” or “people who are already using the BHVR stack”.
    - crab_galaxy 1y ago
      The benefits are very clear to me. If you build MERN apps, this is a template that replaces Express with Hono, Node with bun, and Webpack with Vite. All of which are significantly faster than their counterparts. Hono can be deployed anywhere and has a much smaller bundle size than Express.
      - pavlov 1y ago
        These two paragraphs would already be a much more helpful project description than “typesafe fullstack monorepo”.
- pier25 1y ago
  If you've never heard of Bun or Vite you're clearly not the audience for this.
  - pavlov 1y ago
    Why not? There are a lot of people who use the 2010s de facto standard JS server stack — Node, Express, Webpack etc. — but don't necessarily have the time or inclination to keep up to date with every new project in this space. It's a lot to follow. The exclusive gatekeeping messaging doesn't seem very useful. There's probably a much bigger audience for "Hey, instead of starting yet another Node project, why not try this?" rather than preaching to the already converted early adopters.
    - pier25 1y ago
      Vite is a project with 25M weekly NPM downloads and used by some 9M github repos. It's not an obscure project by any stretch of the imagination. Heck it's almost as popular as React. https://npmtrends.com/react-vs-vite-vs-webpack https://npmtrends.com/react-vs-vite-vs-webpack Imagine someone posting a project that uses React and then someone demanding they explain what React is...
      - dev_l1x_be 1y ago
        You are selecting the frontend crew and making claims based on that. Many of us are not frontend devs just want to wrap an API. At least I do.
        pier25 1y ago
        > Many of us are not frontend devs That's fine but OP's template is clearly for devs with frontend skills. No?
    - zaphirplane 1y ago
      Heard not an expert in, parent is right
johnhamlin 1y ago
I had the same reaction to Hono, but now see it has 23k+ stars on GitHub. Learn about a new JS framework everyday!
- mathgeek 1y ago
  As to whether or not this is a good thing is left as an exercise to the reader. ;)
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I appreciate the feedback! This stack does kinda assume you already know what Hono is but I can definitely flesh it out a bit more, and perhaps show some code to demonstrate it.

VyseofArcadia 1y ago

I mean, I also don't know Bun and Vite. I've at least seen React. You should probably just explain the whole stack.

Etheryte 1y ago
This is like saying a Java library readme should start with what the JVM is. It's fine to not know these things, but the majority of this comes with the territory. Right now it sounds like you're simply not the target audience. The Github readme includes a link to all of the major bits, so I don't really see the problem.
- pavlov 1y ago
  If you were trying to convince me to build a web app in Java, you wouldn’t need to explain what the JVM is, but you’d need to make a strong argument for why Java is better than the alternatives available in 2025. So the question is whether the target audience here is “people who want to build full-stack web apps” or “people who are already using the BHVR stack”.
  - crab_galaxy 1y ago
    The benefits are very clear to me. If you build MERN apps, this is a template that replaces Express with Hono, Node with bun, and Webpack with Vite. All of which are significantly faster than their counterparts. Hono can be deployed anywhere and has a much smaller bundle size than Express.
    - pavlov 1y ago
      These two paragraphs would already be a much more helpful project description than “typesafe fullstack monorepo”.
pier25 1y ago
If you've never heard of Bun or Vite you're clearly not the audience for this.
- pavlov 1y ago
  Why not? There are a lot of people who use the 2010s de facto standard JS server stack — Node, Express, Webpack etc. — but don't necessarily have the time or inclination to keep up to date with every new project in this space. It's a lot to follow. The exclusive gatekeeping messaging doesn't seem very useful. There's probably a much bigger audience for "Hey, instead of starting yet another Node project, why not try this?" rather than preaching to the already converted early adopters.
  - pier25 1y ago
    Vite is a project with 25M weekly NPM downloads and used by some 9M github repos. It's not an obscure project by any stretch of the imagination. Heck it's almost as popular as React. https://npmtrends.com/react-vs-vite-vs-webpack https://npmtrends.com/react-vs-vite-vs-webpack Imagine someone posting a project that uses React and then someone demanding they explain what React is...
    - dev_l1x_be 1y ago
      You are selecting the frontend crew and making claims based on that. Many of us are not frontend devs just want to wrap an API. At least I do.
      - pier25 1y ago
        > Many of us are not frontend devs That's fine but OP's template is clearly for devs with frontend skills. No?
  - zaphirplane 1y ago
    Heard not an expert in, parent is right

johnhamlin 1y ago

I had the same reaction to Hono, but now see it has 23k+ stars on GitHub. Learn about a new JS framework everyday!

mathgeek 1y ago
As to whether or not this is a good thing is left as an exercise to the reader. ;)

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