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> ICE is gearing up to be the Gestapo. It should be noted that the Nazis took a lot of US policies from 1920/30s and ran with them just a little bit further. T

> ICE is gearing up to be the Gestapo. It should be noted that the Nazis took a lot of US policies from 1920/30s and ran with them just a little bit further. The Nazis were famous for eugenics, but it was quite big in the US as well, see for example: * https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/03/07/469478098/the-supreme-court-ruling-that-led-to-70-000-forced-sterilizations https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/03/07/4694780... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_v._Bell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_v._Bell Their initial treatment/segregation of the Jews wasn't much different than treatment of blacks in the US.

atombender 1y ago
Sorry, why should it be noted? What is the relevance of your comment other than whataboutism?
- throw0101b 1y ago
  > Sorry, why should it be noted? What is the relevance of your comment other than whataboutism? It is worth noting because nowadays the Nazis are treated as evil incarnate, and the Allied side of WW2 the side of justice, but the history of the ideas behind the Nazis does not lie (entirely) with-in Germany. There is darkness in every society (including the US) and certain tendencies, and worth reminding people that these things can take hold anywhere, and not just "over there".
  - atombender 1y ago
    That is neither here nor there. Nobody has ever claimed evil started (or ended) with the Nazis. The US has committed unspeakable evil before and after, as have many other governments. The parent presumably singled out the Gestapo because it is one of the prime examples of a secret police detaining and punishing citizens without due process. The fact that the Gestapo didn't spring out of completely new ideas doesn't seem particularly relevant in this context. There are more apposite comparisons: The US internment programs of 1942–1945, or McCarthyism and the Red Scare.

atombender 1y ago

Sorry, why should it be noted? What is the relevance of your comment other than whataboutism?

throw0101b 1y ago
> Sorry, why should it be noted? What is the relevance of your comment other than whataboutism? It is worth noting because nowadays the Nazis are treated as evil incarnate, and the Allied side of WW2 the side of justice, but the history of the ideas behind the Nazis does not lie (entirely) with-in Germany. There is darkness in every society (including the US) and certain tendencies, and worth reminding people that these things can take hold anywhere, and not just "over there".
- atombender 1y ago
  That is neither here nor there. Nobody has ever claimed evil started (or ended) with the Nazis. The US has committed unspeakable evil before and after, as have many other governments. The parent presumably singled out the Gestapo because it is one of the prime examples of a secret police detaining and punishing citizens without due process. The fact that the Gestapo didn't spring out of completely new ideas doesn't seem particularly relevant in this context. There are more apposite comparisons: The US internment programs of 1942–1945, or McCarthyism and the Red Scare.