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What's the link between ASD and lobotomies?

cma 1y ago
I think he's just trying to choose a point in time when mental healthcare was more primitive to go along with saying the diagnosis is more sophisticated now. A main thing is that people with autism would just be classified as generally mentally disabled and the rise in autism is highly tied a drop in that general diagnosis. I don't think that covers 100% of the rise but does seem to make up the big majority. U.S. special-education autism classification was created in 1994 and tied to a big rise in diagnosis. https://news.wisc.edu/data-provides-misleading-picture-of-autism/ https://news.wisc.edu/data-provides-misleading-picture-of-au...
- NomDePlum 1y ago
  Thanks. That helps.
viraptor 1y ago
Progress of understanding.
- NomDePlum 1y ago
  Sorry, still not that clear to me. Are you saying that there is no direct link but rather understanding of various areas increased due to the stopping of this practice?
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  - viraptor 1y ago
    We understood more about various conditions and treatments, so we stopped doing harmful things like lobotomies and refined the definitions on some conditions as needed. Those are not directly related though.
  - ang_cire 1y ago
    > understanding of various areas increased due to the stopping of this practice Yes, this absolutely. You can't study something after altering it. The "treatments" for people with any kind of neurodivergence (real, or imagined) in the past were often interventions that destroyed enough of their brain or body to prevent them from exhibiting any neurodivergent symptoms (e.g. lobotomy, EST/ECT, teeth-pulling[1], etc). [1]: https://www.amusingplanet.com/2019/01/henry-cotton-psychiatrist-who-tried-to.html https://www.amusingplanet.com/2019/01/henry-cotton-psychiatr...
  - tsimionescu 1y ago
    There is no direct link, but the point is that an increasing trend in diagnosis of ASD is not surprising when the baseline is coming from a time when doctors thought cutting out parts of your brain to make you more calm was a good idea. Basically, we shouldn't look at numbers reported by doctors willing to perform lobotomies for depression as a reliable indicator of the incidence of ASD in the population at the time.

cma 1y ago

I think he's just trying to choose a point in time when mental healthcare was more primitive to go along with saying the diagnosis is more sophisticated now. A main thing is that people with autism would just be classified as generally mentally disabled and the rise in autism is highly tied a drop in that general diagnosis. I don't think that covers 100% of the rise but does seem to make up the big majority. U.S. special-education autism classification was created in 1994 and tied to a big rise in diagnosis. https://news.wisc.edu/data-provides-misleading-picture-of-autism/ https://news.wisc.edu/data-provides-misleading-picture-of-au...

NomDePlum 1y ago
Thanks. That helps.

viraptor 1y ago

Progress of understanding.

NomDePlum 1y ago
Sorry, still not that clear to me. Are you saying that there is no direct link but rather understanding of various areas increased due to the stopping of this practice?
- deleted 1y ago
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- viraptor 1y ago
  We understood more about various conditions and treatments, so we stopped doing harmful things like lobotomies and refined the definitions on some conditions as needed. Those are not directly related though.
- ang_cire 1y ago
  > understanding of various areas increased due to the stopping of this practice Yes, this absolutely. You can't study something after altering it. The "treatments" for people with any kind of neurodivergence (real, or imagined) in the past were often interventions that destroyed enough of their brain or body to prevent them from exhibiting any neurodivergent symptoms (e.g. lobotomy, EST/ECT, teeth-pulling[1], etc). [1]: https://www.amusingplanet.com/2019/01/henry-cotton-psychiatrist-who-tried-to.html https://www.amusingplanet.com/2019/01/henry-cotton-psychiatr...
- tsimionescu 1y ago
  There is no direct link, but the point is that an increasing trend in diagnosis of ASD is not surprising when the baseline is coming from a time when doctors thought cutting out parts of your brain to make you more calm was a good idea. Basically, we shouldn't look at numbers reported by doctors willing to perform lobotomies for depression as a reliable indicator of the incidence of ASD in the population at the time.