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> The number of units per household is near the historical highs, and it dwarfs the numbers seen in the 80-s and 90-s Your link appears to only goes back to 20

> The number of units per household is near the historical highs, and it dwarfs the numbers seen in the 80-s and 90-s Your link appears to only goes back to 2001. Looking at Census data, it appears the reverse is true. Every year from 1984 to 1999 had a higher units/household than today, for the bulk of the 90s, dramatically higher, with it peaking in 1998 at 1.61 units/household compared to 1.11 today.

cyberax 2y ago
???? Where are you getting your data from? https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/popest/tables/1990-2000/housing/totals/st-98-46.txt https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/popest/tables/1990-... > (ST-98-46) Estimates of Housing Units, Households, Households by Age of > Householder, and Persons per Household: July 1, 1998 Total housing units: 112,499, total households: 101,041. The ratio was 1.11, just as today. If you look further, for 1984 the data was:
- Aloisius 1y ago
  You're using old housing and household estimates. They get revised after the decennial census to correct for errors. 1998: Total housing unit: 117,282, Total households: 102,528, Ratio: 1.1439 From the last housing inventory for 1965 - 2024: https://www.census.gov/housing/hvs/data/histtab7.xlsx https://www.census.gov/housing/hvs/data/histtab7.xlsx And household size 1940 - 2024: https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/demo/tables/families/time-series/households/hh1.xls https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/demo/tables/familie...
  - cyberax 1y ago
    And that doesn't really change anything in my argument, the correction is in the third digit. The housing ratio right now is close to the record-high level, and surpassing that in 70-s and 80-s. And it certainly was not 1.6 in 1998.
    - Aloisius 1y ago
      Indeed, I did copy that out wrong, but I don't think your argument that housing is substantially higher today than the 80s or 90s stands. Nor does today surpass all of the 80s. As I stated before, the ratio of units to households was a higher from 1984 to 1999 than today. It is higher than the 1970s, but there was a housing crisis in the 70s to early 80s, so that doesn't mean much, especially given it's a relatively recent change. 2012 to 2022 was worse than the 70s.

cyberax 2y ago

???? Where are you getting your data from? https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/popest/tables/1990-2000/housing/totals/st-98-46.txt https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/popest/tables/1990-... > (ST-98-46) Estimates of Housing Units, Households, Households by Age of > Householder, and Persons per Household: July 1, 1998 Total housing units: 112,499, total households: 101,041. The ratio was 1.11, just as today. If you look further, for 1984 the data was:

Aloisius 1y ago
You're using old housing and household estimates. They get revised after the decennial census to correct for errors. 1998: Total housing unit: 117,282, Total households: 102,528, Ratio: 1.1439 From the last housing inventory for 1965 - 2024: https://www.census.gov/housing/hvs/data/histtab7.xlsx https://www.census.gov/housing/hvs/data/histtab7.xlsx And household size 1940 - 2024: https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/demo/tables/families/time-series/households/hh1.xls https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/demo/tables/familie...
- cyberax 1y ago
  And that doesn't really change anything in my argument, the correction is in the third digit. The housing ratio right now is close to the record-high level, and surpassing that in 70-s and 80-s. And it certainly was not 1.6 in 1998.
  - Aloisius 1y ago
    Indeed, I did copy that out wrong, but I don't think your argument that housing is substantially higher today than the 80s or 90s stands. Nor does today surpass all of the 80s. As I stated before, the ratio of units to households was a higher from 1984 to 1999 than today. It is higher than the 1970s, but there was a housing crisis in the 70s to early 80s, so that doesn't mean much, especially given it's a relatively recent change. 2012 to 2022 was worse than the 70s.