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It’s similar with the TSA facial recognition photos. “We delete your photo immediately” but what they don’t say is that they don’t delete the biometrics from th
by LgWoodenBadger 1y ago
It’s similar with the TSA facial recognition photos. “We delete your photo immediately” but what they don’t say is that they don’t delete the biometrics from that photo.
- bsimpson 1y agoIt's a crime that were compelled to concede our 4th Amendment rights in order to travel.
- spunker540 1y agoSame with drivers licenses and passports having a photo requirement too
- gruez 1y ago>drivers licenses and passports having a photo requirement too You're free to take the bus, or hire a chauffeur. A private pilots license doesn't have any pictures either.
- hammock 1y agoFor better or worse, we didn’t have to make such hard choices for the first 80 years of aviation. And Greyhound etc require photo ID these days as well
- asteroidburger 1y agoA US pilot certificate itself does not include a photo, but you must have a photo ID to use it. https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/part-61/section-61.3#p-61.3(a)(2) https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/part-61/section-61.3#p...
- ornornor 1y agoThat’s not a freedom. That’s a restriction that reduces the amount of choices you have for potentially worse ones.
- hammock 1y agoThe TSA photos are worse. They use a stereoscopic camera to take a 3d image of your head, which makes facial recognition up to 10x more accurate. You can opt out, just say you do (and preferably cover the camera with your hat or bag)
- walterbell 1y agoWiFi 7 Sensing is bringing similar functionality to consumer routers and many laptops, with the bonus of passing through walls.
- coldtea 1y ago>You can opt out, just say you do And then be flagged and 10x more targeted because of that
- DrillShopper 1y agoAmtrak and Greyhound do not require those biometrics, nor does renting a car and driving (or driving your own).
- kelnos 1y agoSome of us want to be able to cross the country in an afternoon, and not have to spend days on a slow, uncomfortable train to make the same trip. I don't think that's unreasonable.
- uoaei 1y agoCertainly not unreasonable. But it does require you to commission your own transport subject to the rules that that private entity seeks to impose. Public entities which indiscriminately service residents and visitors of a given territory would obviate this requirement. But if you're in the US, good luck convincing taxpayers to agree to pay for that.
- vel0city 1y ago> subject to the rules that that private entity seeks to impose. It's not the private entity taking a 3D face scan, nor are they necessarily wanting for that scan to be taken. It's federal laws and regulations being done by federal agents in spaces controlled by the federal government.
- uoaei 1y agoTSA is not a government organization. Neither is Boeing nor any of the airline carriers.
- vel0city 1y agoTSA is absolutely a government organization, it's a part of the Department of Homeland Security. It was created by an act of Congress, the Aviation and Transportation Security Act. You might as well argue the IRS or FBI or the US Marshalls aren't a government organization. What about absolutely absurd thing to suggest. > The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) is an agency of the United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS) that has authority over the security of transportation systems within and connecting to the United States. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_Security_Administration https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_Security_Admi...
- mulderc 1y agoDepends on the type of travel right? I took Amtrak weekly for several years and never even had to show ID.
- mixmastamyk 1y agoDid this change? Last time I tried to take them (ten+ years ago, because my license expired) they refused my ticket purchase because my id was expired.
- dangus 1y agoLiterally not compelled in this case, the TSA signage says that the image capture is completely optional. More generally, having your stuff screened for security to get on a commercial plane isn't a 4th amendment violation, the word "unreasonable" is right there in the amendment for a reason. You're in public in an enclosed flying object bringing your goods onto someone else's plane with 100+ strangers aboard, it is completely reasonable and necessary for the freedoms of everyone involved for the TSA to ensure that your stuff doesn't have dangerous objects aboard. Don't forget that freedom also involves the freedom of other people to not be negatively impacted by you exercising your "freedom."
- teeray 1y agoImage capture is optional, your other option is something possibly unpleasant and may make you miss your flight
- dangus 1y agoThat is not the other option at all. The other option is essentially just the traditional screening process. > Standard ID credential verification is in place – Travelers who decide not to participate in the use of facial recognition technology will receive an alternative ID credential check by the TSO at the podium. The traveler will not experience any negative consequences for choosing not to participate. There is no issue and no delay with a traveler exercising their rights to not participate in the automated biometrics matching technology. My goodness this thread is just the most annoying tinfoil hat thread I've seen all day. Y'all are spending too much time online.
- teeray 1y ago> The other option is essentially just the traditional screening process. I know that, and you know that, but you have to convince the average traveler that nothing bad will happen if they say no. In the mind of the average traveler, it’s safer to just say “okay” to whatever the TSA wants. There needs to be some kind of neutral ombudsman to placate travelers’ fears of reprisal for opting to preserve their rights.
- caminanteblanco 1y agoIt literally says right on the facial recognition sign that you're free to opt out, just let the TSA employee know
- arcfour 1y agoThe TSA is - objectively, by their own audits - complete security theater. Why bother to defend them, exactly? Also, the spirit of the 4th Amendment is most certainly not "here, this is the easy way!" (yes, we are conducting mass surveillance but you can sort of opt out of one piece of it by going through a manual process over here that we will make you feel like you are burdening us by requesting)
- 93po 1y agocorrecting disinformation isn't defending something. do you want to live in a world where we dislike someone and so we just make up random terrible things about them that aren't true, and it's fine and encouraged because they're someone we dislike, and people aren't allowed to say "hey that's not actually true, at all"
- syeare 1y agobut we do live in such a world tho?
- dmwilcox 1y agoYup,people are really good about it in my experience too. I just stand off to the side of the camera, and say "no biometrics please". They take a minute to check my documents and it's done. Try it. I trust the TSA agents brain to not get hacked in the next 24 hours, a database run by them, not so much.
- michaelmrose 1y agoThe purpose is to gather biometric data on people that will be used for future surveillance in our incipient fascist state with the implicit statement that opting out is suspicious and will lead to greater scrutiny.