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thanks for accepting them as customers. i hope that it works out (i imagine a larger test will be when something with less popular support - neo nazis or child

thanks for accepting them as customers. i hope that it works out (i imagine a larger test will be when something with less popular support - neo nazis or child porn or whatever - becomes a client). free speech matters. and controlling speech should be - in the end - something that is done through a visible, accountable process. [edited to change "taking a stand" to something less objectionable(?). but contrast this with the payment service providers.]

jgrahamc 14y ago
It's worth noting that CloudFlare is not 'taking a stand' on this. Wikileaks approached us about becoming a customer and as they are a high traffic site they had to go through manual sign up. Once that was done they are live.
- dsl 14y ago
  You have made the choice not to enforce your own terms of service. Section 11 is a pretty good read, you should check it out.
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  - ryanac 14y ago
    "You have made the choice not to enforce your own terms of service." Not really. They've just made a choice not to enforce Section 11, which they state, in Section 11, that they can do. In the first sentence of Section 11 it says "in the sole judgment of CloudFlare", doesn't that mean that they get to make the choice of whether or not a site violates anything in Section 11? Are there any lawsuits from any government or official channel that successfully went after WikiLeaks for violations that CloudFlare needs to comply with? In this case I think it's for CloudFlare to decide, they state this in Section 11 and they've made their choice.
    - dsl 14y ago
      My point is they are aware of what Wikileaks is, and they are making a conscious decision to not enforce the terms (which is as you point out, at their discretion). Regardless of your feelings on the matter, Wikileaks does admit they do not have the permission of the rights holders to be releasing documents.
      - true_religion 14y ago
        It's interesting to note that Wikileaks hasn't ever been served with a DMCA or anything similar.

jgrahamc 14y ago

It's worth noting that CloudFlare is not 'taking a stand' on this. Wikileaks approached us about becoming a customer and as they are a high traffic site they had to go through manual sign up. Once that was done they are live.

dsl 14y ago
You have made the choice not to enforce your own terms of service. Section 11 is a pretty good read, you should check it out.
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- ryanac 14y ago
  "You have made the choice not to enforce your own terms of service." Not really. They've just made a choice not to enforce Section 11, which they state, in Section 11, that they can do. In the first sentence of Section 11 it says "in the sole judgment of CloudFlare", doesn't that mean that they get to make the choice of whether or not a site violates anything in Section 11? Are there any lawsuits from any government or official channel that successfully went after WikiLeaks for violations that CloudFlare needs to comply with? In this case I think it's for CloudFlare to decide, they state this in Section 11 and they've made their choice.
  - dsl 14y ago
    My point is they are aware of what Wikileaks is, and they are making a conscious decision to not enforce the terms (which is as you point out, at their discretion). Regardless of your feelings on the matter, Wikileaks does admit they do not have the permission of the rights holders to be releasing documents.
    - true_religion 14y ago
      It's interesting to note that Wikileaks hasn't ever been served with a DMCA or anything similar.