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voidspark 1y ago
I recently saw a compilation of Democrat politicians doing the exact same "Nazi salute" over the years. Obama, Hillary, Sanders, AOC, etc. Even the ADL released a statement saying that it was obviously not a Nazi salute. People are actually delusional. Extremely childish and idiotic.
- lostlogin 1y ago
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  - voidspark 1y ago
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    - tomhow 1y ago
      Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- tzs 1y ago
  > I recently saw a compilation of Democrat politicians doing the exact same "Nazi salute" over the years. Obama, Hillary, Sanders, AOC, etc. No, you did not. You saw a collection of Democrat politicians whose arms at one point were sticking out in the same position that arms stick out at the end of a Nazi salute. This happens all the time. I do it 3 days a week when making breakfast. What Musk did was start with his arm down, rapidly raise it to his heart, and then forcefully thrust it out to the position usually shows in photographs of Hitler doing the salute. There are videos of Hitler doing that full hand to heart and then thrust gesture that almost exactly match Musk's gesture from start to finish. When you track down the videos that the purported Democrat examples are taken from you will see that none of them did that. They were doing things like pointing, or waving to a crowd, or gesticulating while they talked, and in the midst of that their arms ended up in that position.
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    - tzs 1y ago
      Watch and learn. This is what it looks like when you are waving to crowd or gesturing and your arm goes out without it being identical to a Nazi salute: https://x.com/ExposingNV/status/1881647306724049116?t=CGKtg03KT37fdBwYVrrygg https://x.com/ExposingNV/status/1881647306724049116?t=CGKtg0... This is what it looks like when what you are doing is exactly like a Nazi salute: https://x.com/BartoSitek/status/1882081868423860315?t=8F0hL-vHWcNRW_8nLU5y7g https://x.com/BartoSitek/status/1882081868423860315?t=8F0hL-... If you think these are exactly the same, seek optometrist help.
      - pirgidb 1y ago
        Response to GP: Is your argument really so paper thin that you can't even attempt to defend it? You need to go straight to asserting that those who disagree are delusional? Makes me wonder if you even believe what you're saying or you're just taking comfort in repeating it, like an old yarn.
        voidspark 1y ago
        There is nothing to defend. The National Socialists were defeated 80 years ago. That only exists in their imagination, not in reality. Anyone can go to YouTube and listen to the speech. Not a Nazi rally. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43819077 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43819077
        pirgidb 1y ago
        We've all seen. Other commenters explained in great detail what they saw. You choose to plug your ears and then insist everyone else is crazy. Everything you've brought up here is irrelevant. No one thinks that the Nazis are secretly living on the moon. The defeat of the Nazis is entirely orthogonal to a gesture made in recent history. The Hunger Games is fiction but I can still hold up three fingers if I choose to.
- computerthings 1y ago
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FirmwareBurner 1y ago
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- tomhow 1y ago
  > What are the odds HN engages in speech censorship on viewpoints it doesn't like? Funny you should ask but now's not the time to get into it. Your comment breaches the guidelines. Particularly this line: > Get a grip on reality. Elon didn't cause any issues in EU policitcs. Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
    The comment I replied also breached the same rules: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43805821 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43805821 Why wasn't it flagged? Thanks for confirming the bias and double standard selective enforcement on HN. Be snarky against liberal views? Flagged for braking rules. Be snarky against unpopular views? Allowed and often upvoted.
    - tomhow 1y ago
      I saw yours first because it was recent, and your earlier comment was the first that started using terms like "crazy" and "mentally deranged". Sure, it's not ok for others to break the guidelines in replies, and I've now responded to the one you pointed out and others. We're not always going to have the time and patience go through a tyrefire of a subthread and scold every single person. Those who start or escalate flamewars need to take more responsibility. As for bias: I've spent much of the past week and several hours today responding to allegations of bias in the opposite direction. I say to you what I've said to the others: we're not interested in ideology; we're interested in keeping HN a good place for curious conversations.
      - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
        I think people here lack reading skills. The term mentally deranged I used was at those committing acts of vandalism and terrorism against innocent people's private property, not against someone in the comments here. This is clear to anyone who can read at 8th grade level. Am I wrong that such vandals are not mentally 100? Am I breaking HN rules with this assessment?
tomhow 1y ago
No personal attacks please, no matter how wrong someone is or you feel they are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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I recently saw a compilation of Democrat politicians doing the exact same "Nazi salute" over the years. Obama, Hillary, Sanders, AOC, etc. Even the ADL released a statement saying that it was obviously not a Nazi salute. People are actually delusional. Extremely childish and idiotic.

lostlogin 1y ago
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- voidspark 1y ago
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  - tomhow 1y ago
    Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
tzs 1y ago
> I recently saw a compilation of Democrat politicians doing the exact same "Nazi salute" over the years. Obama, Hillary, Sanders, AOC, etc. No, you did not. You saw a collection of Democrat politicians whose arms at one point were sticking out in the same position that arms stick out at the end of a Nazi salute. This happens all the time. I do it 3 days a week when making breakfast. What Musk did was start with his arm down, rapidly raise it to his heart, and then forcefully thrust it out to the position usually shows in photographs of Hitler doing the salute. There are videos of Hitler doing that full hand to heart and then thrust gesture that almost exactly match Musk's gesture from start to finish. When you track down the videos that the purported Democrat examples are taken from you will see that none of them did that. They were doing things like pointing, or waving to a crowd, or gesticulating while they talked, and in the midst of that their arms ended up in that position.
- voidspark 1y ago
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  - tzs 1y ago
    Watch and learn. This is what it looks like when you are waving to crowd or gesturing and your arm goes out without it being identical to a Nazi salute: https://x.com/ExposingNV/status/1881647306724049116?t=CGKtg03KT37fdBwYVrrygg https://x.com/ExposingNV/status/1881647306724049116?t=CGKtg0... This is what it looks like when what you are doing is exactly like a Nazi salute: https://x.com/BartoSitek/status/1882081868423860315?t=8F0hL-vHWcNRW_8nLU5y7g https://x.com/BartoSitek/status/1882081868423860315?t=8F0hL-... If you think these are exactly the same, seek optometrist help.
    - pirgidb 1y ago
      Response to GP: Is your argument really so paper thin that you can't even attempt to defend it? You need to go straight to asserting that those who disagree are delusional? Makes me wonder if you even believe what you're saying or you're just taking comfort in repeating it, like an old yarn.
      - voidspark 1y ago
        There is nothing to defend. The National Socialists were defeated 80 years ago. That only exists in their imagination, not in reality. Anyone can go to YouTube and listen to the speech. Not a Nazi rally. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43819077 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43819077
        pirgidb 1y ago
        We've all seen. Other commenters explained in great detail what they saw. You choose to plug your ears and then insist everyone else is crazy. Everything you've brought up here is irrelevant. No one thinks that the Nazis are secretly living on the moon. The defeat of the Nazis is entirely orthogonal to a gesture made in recent history. The Hunger Games is fiction but I can still hold up three fingers if I choose to.
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tomhow 1y ago
> What are the odds HN engages in speech censorship on viewpoints it doesn't like? Funny you should ask but now's not the time to get into it. Your comment breaches the guidelines. Particularly this line: > Get a grip on reality. Elon didn't cause any issues in EU policitcs. Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  The comment I replied also breached the same rules: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43805821 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43805821 Why wasn't it flagged? Thanks for confirming the bias and double standard selective enforcement on HN. Be snarky against liberal views? Flagged for braking rules. Be snarky against unpopular views? Allowed and often upvoted.
  - tomhow 1y ago
    I saw yours first because it was recent, and your earlier comment was the first that started using terms like "crazy" and "mentally deranged". Sure, it's not ok for others to break the guidelines in replies, and I've now responded to the one you pointed out and others. We're not always going to have the time and patience go through a tyrefire of a subthread and scold every single person. Those who start or escalate flamewars need to take more responsibility. As for bias: I've spent much of the past week and several hours today responding to allegations of bias in the opposite direction. I say to you what I've said to the others: we're not interested in ideology; we're interested in keeping HN a good place for curious conversations.
    - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
      I think people here lack reading skills. The term mentally deranged I used was at those committing acts of vandalism and terrorism against innocent people's private property, not against someone in the comments here. This is clear to anyone who can read at 8th grade level. Am I wrong that such vandals are not mentally 100? Am I breaking HN rules with this assessment?

tomhow 1y ago

No personal attacks please, no matter how wrong someone is or you feel they are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html