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Why would you trust these statistics? I am very skeptical. The state said that they have solved the gang problem by putting “gangsters” in prisons like this (f

by mlsu 1y ago

Why would you trust these statistics? I am very skeptical. The state said that they have solved the gang problem by putting “gangsters” in prisons like this (frequently, without due process as we have seen). I think it’s far more likely that the state in El Salvador is structured like a gang, and the level of violence is the same as it ever was.

lawn 1y ago
Sounds exactly like the lies Russia presents.
BSDobelix 1y ago
>Why would you trust these statistics? Because i would think the Associated press makes a more or less professional job: https://apnews.com/article/el-salvador-homicides-gangs-bukele-69384a8705267eaddd18dcd28a53465b#:~:text=Not%20all%20nations%20had%20published,country%20had%20reported%20in%202023. https://apnews.com/article/el-salvador-homicides-gangs-bukel... And the approval rating: ~91% https://www.statista.com/statistics/1264586/approval-salvadoran-president-bukele/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1264586/approval-salvado... But maybe you have better data to counter that?
- Volundr 1y ago
  > And the approval rating: ~91% In a country where one can be disappeared without recourse into a brutal prison system I have my doubts anyone can meaningfully collect something like an approval rating. I for one would not answer anything but yes to someone asking me if I approved of Bukele if I lived in El Salvador.
- sjoedev 1y ago
  Look around the world at how many “landslide” election victories are won in places that do not truly have elections. Those with authoritarian intent are notorious for controlling the narrative. All around the world, we are seeing many examples of consolidation of power through populism. Yes, populism is popular by definition. But history is not usually kind to those who consolidate power.
lesuorac 1y ago
As arrests go up, crime should go down; whose left to commit crimes? It doesn't mean everybody being arrested is guilty but if you have a say 20% accurate arrest rate and you run it over the entire population you're going to remove a large amount of criminals. Not a great way to live in general, but would lower crime outside of a jail.
- nobody9999 1y ago
  >It doesn't mean everybody being arrested is guilty but if you have a say 20% accurate arrest rate and you run it over the entire population you're going to remove a large amount of criminals. By that logic, why bother arresting anyone? Just shoot them dead. Who cares if they're guilty or not? That'll stop crime for sure, right?
  - archagon 1y ago
    Fun life hack: capital punishment for every misdemeanor solves 100% of crime!
    - nobody9999 1y ago
      >Fun life hack I said "shoot," not slash with machetes. Geez, Louise!

by mlsu 1y ago

lawn 1y ago

Sounds exactly like the lies Russia presents.

BSDobelix 1y ago

>Why would you trust these statistics? Because i would think the Associated press makes a more or less professional job: https://apnews.com/article/el-salvador-homicides-gangs-bukele-69384a8705267eaddd18dcd28a53465b#:~:text=Not%20all%20nations%20had%20published,country%20had%20reported%20in%202023. https://apnews.com/article/el-salvador-homicides-gangs-bukel... And the approval rating: ~91% https://www.statista.com/statistics/1264586/approval-salvadoran-president-bukele/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1264586/approval-salvado... But maybe you have better data to counter that?

Volundr 1y ago
> And the approval rating: ~91% In a country where one can be disappeared without recourse into a brutal prison system I have my doubts anyone can meaningfully collect something like an approval rating. I for one would not answer anything but yes to someone asking me if I approved of Bukele if I lived in El Salvador.
sjoedev 1y ago
Look around the world at how many “landslide” election victories are won in places that do not truly have elections. Those with authoritarian intent are notorious for controlling the narrative. All around the world, we are seeing many examples of consolidation of power through populism. Yes, populism is popular by definition. But history is not usually kind to those who consolidate power.

lesuorac 1y ago

As arrests go up, crime should go down; whose left to commit crimes? It doesn't mean everybody being arrested is guilty but if you have a say 20% accurate arrest rate and you run it over the entire population you're going to remove a large amount of criminals. Not a great way to live in general, but would lower crime outside of a jail.

nobody9999 1y ago
>It doesn't mean everybody being arrested is guilty but if you have a say 20% accurate arrest rate and you run it over the entire population you're going to remove a large amount of criminals. By that logic, why bother arresting anyone? Just shoot them dead. Who cares if they're guilty or not? That'll stop crime for sure, right?
- archagon 1y ago
  Fun life hack: capital punishment for every misdemeanor solves 100% of crime!
  - nobody9999 1y ago
    >Fun life hack I said "shoot," not slash with machetes. Geez, Louise!