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I think the US government seizing the birthright citizen children of undocumented immigrant parents is an extreme position.
by pessimizer 2y ago
I think the US government seizing the birthright citizen children of undocumented immigrant parents is an extreme position.
- rsfern 2y agoThat’s a strawman argument that I would never advocate, and completely ignores my question. Alternatives include arranging legal custody for the child and to stay in the US with a relative (as one family was attempting), or finding a legal way for them to leave the country with their parents. Instead, it seems the government is rushing to illegally remove these children before the courts can intervene
- exe34 2y ago> it seems the government is rushing to illegally That's the last 4 months really.
- bee_rider 2y agoWhat’s the non-extreme option, if the plan is to kick out the non-citizen parents of US citizen children?
- paulryanrogers 2y agoDelay deporting the non-citizen parent at least until the citizen children have reasonable accomodations to remain in the country? "The plan" isn't sacred. Humans rights are sacred.
- s1artibartfast 2y ago[flagged]
- LorenPechtel 2y agoA child isn't abandoned when the parent is forcefully taken from them.
- s1artibartfast 2y agoThe parent has the choice to take the child.
- jedberg 2y agoThe government has a duty to protect its citizens. So in this case, that would mean finding suitable childcare for the citizen child before making them an orphan. But ideally we wouldn't be making them orphans.
- oblio 2y agoEnd jus solis. Allow all current parents to stay. There ya go, the humane solution to this.
- hsuduebc2 2y agoCan someone who down voted this comment please explain why? Is this because you do not agree with his general stance or because it simplifies and doesn't contribute to the debate?
- tomrod 2y agoNot sure who downvoted, but simply ending jus solis because authoritarians want to make people's lives miserable is an extreme position with an awful BATNA.
- wat10000 2y agoI would not consider a radical change to how US citizenship has worked for at least a century and a half to be “non-extreme.”
- BobaFloutist 2y agoI think birthright citizenship is one of the few examples of America doing something strictly better than most other countries.
- oblio 2y agoWhy? Why should someone be a citizen because they were born in a specific country? With jus sanguinis things are much clearer: one of your parents is a citizen, you're a citizen. Your kids are citizens. In perpetuity. Jus solis is a bit like right of way at American intersections: the person that's been there the longest goes first. Whaaaaaa? What if two cars arrive at the same time? What if 4 arrive at roughly at the same time? What is people can't agree who arrived first? A lot of the rest of the world gives way to the car coming from the right. Which is obvious and basically non-negotiable. Similar idea here.
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- AustinDev 2y agoWhat happens is a single parent is sent to prison? The state takes care of the children.
- codr7 2y agoTakes care, interesting choice of words there.
- 1659447091 2y agoThey look for other relatives to take the children first.