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One thing I don’t understand is how this is even a choice the parents have the legal right to make, assuming their US citizen children do not have passports (I
by rsfern 1y ago
One thing I don’t understand is how this is even a choice the parents have the legal right to make, assuming their US citizen children do not have passports (I don’t know if the answer to that is publicly known). Can a child legally be taken out of the country without a passport and some kind of verifications?
- pessimizer 1y agoI think the US government seizing the birthright citizen children of undocumented immigrant parents is an extreme position.
- rsfern 1y agoThat’s a strawman argument that I would never advocate, and completely ignores my question. Alternatives include arranging legal custody for the child and to stay in the US with a relative (as one family was attempting), or finding a legal way for them to leave the country with their parents. Instead, it seems the government is rushing to illegally remove these children before the courts can intervene
- exe34 1y ago> it seems the government is rushing to illegally That's the last 4 months really.
- bee_rider 1y agoWhat’s the non-extreme option, if the plan is to kick out the non-citizen parents of US citizen children?
- paulryanrogers 1y agoDelay deporting the non-citizen parent at least until the citizen children have reasonable accomodations to remain in the country? "The plan" isn't sacred. Humans rights are sacred.
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- LorenPechtel 1y agoA child isn't abandoned when the parent is forcefully taken from them.
- s1artibartfast 1y agoThe parent has the choice to take the child.
- jedberg 1y agoThe government has a duty to protect its citizens. So in this case, that would mean finding suitable childcare for the citizen child before making them an orphan. But ideally we wouldn't be making them orphans.
- oblio 1y agoEnd jus solis. Allow all current parents to stay. There ya go, the humane solution to this.
- hsuduebc2 1y agoCan someone who down voted this comment please explain why? Is this because you do not agree with his general stance or because it simplifies and doesn't contribute to the debate?
- tomrod 1y agoNot sure who downvoted, but simply ending jus solis because authoritarians want to make people's lives miserable is an extreme position with an awful BATNA.
- wat10000 1y agoI would not consider a radical change to how US citizenship has worked for at least a century and a half to be “non-extreme.”
- BobaFloutist 1y agoI think birthright citizenship is one of the few examples of America doing something strictly better than most other countries.
- oblio 1y agoWhy? Why should someone be a citizen because they were born in a specific country? With jus sanguinis things are much clearer: one of your parents is a citizen, you're a citizen. Your kids are citizens. In perpetuity. Jus solis is a bit like right of way at American intersections: the person that's been there the longest goes first. Whaaaaaa? What if two cars arrive at the same time? What if 4 arrive at roughly at the same time? What is people can't agree who arrived first? A lot of the rest of the world gives way to the car coming from the right. Which is obvious and basically non-negotiable. Similar idea here.
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- AustinDev 1y agoWhat happens is a single parent is sent to prison? The state takes care of the children.
- codr7 1y agoTakes care, interesting choice of words there.
- 1659447091 1y agoThey look for other relatives to take the children first.
- mc32 1y agoThe same happens to US citizens who have/bear children in other countries. Moreover some will do much as assume the children do not have local citizenship but US citizenship despite being born in that non-US country.
- 47282847 1y agoOnly few countries give birthright to children born on their territory. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli
- wat10000 1y agoIf by “only a few” you mean “almost every country in the Americas, plus some more.”
- 47282847 1y agoYes. As per the article, 33 countries. Of ~195 in total. Or, in population: 13%.
- wat10000 1y ago“A few” means, like, 3-5.
- mc32 1y agoI've known children of US citizens who were presumed Americans though having been born in a south American country. Government kicked them all out for being personae non grata Americans --children not excepted.
- wat10000 1y agoWhat’s your point? Other countries also engage in lawlessness to remove people they don’t like?
- LorenPechtel 1y agoI don't think the lack of documentation is a barrier to deportation. All that matters is that the country they are being deported to agrees to take them. But this has been rather routinely violated by ICE in the past--they are a totally criminal organization. (They would deport people by shoving them into Mexico--never mind if they are actually Mexican or not.)