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> From what research I've seen, the phrasing here should be that non-citizens were deported and chose to bring their US citizen children with them. The children
by ajross 2y ago
> From what research I've seen, the phrasing here should be that non-citizens were deported and chose to bring their US citizen children with them. The children themselves were not deported.
That seems deliberately Orwellian. What's the "not deported" scenario you're imagining? Literally abandoning your child in a jail somewhere?!
It's not like these folks are in hotels, or have access to phones or family.
I mean, yikes. Is that really what we've come to in the discourse on this site? Putting scare quotes around "deported" to pretend that it's only "other issues" that are problems?
- ModernMech 2y agoNot ironically, yes, that's where we are. I remember when we would say such things about a school of children being gunned down. "Really?? That's where we are now as a society? How did we let this happen?" We let it happen by not saying "enough" when the last thing happened. If a school of kids gets gunned down and a society lets that slide, that society becomes one more tolerant of violence against children. We said we were powerless to stop that, so here we are now, bringing violence against children as a matter of federal policy.
- eastbound 2y ago[flagged]
- ajross 2y ago> And she was given the choice to get separated or keep the child. Representing that as a "choice" is precisely the Orwellian part. I'm guessing you don't have kids.
- eastbound 2y agoYou’re taking the rest of the world hostage with the child. The crime was that she was allowed here in the first place, whether by the people who made her believe it was possible, or by her breaking the laws as the act of entry in the country.
- chasd00 2y ago> The only Orwellian thing is she was lied to by Democrats that she could lead a safe life in the US. That’s on you. This cannot be overstated. I wish I had a thousand up votes to give you. Democrats made a promise they knew would never hold up just for the votes. Now the chickens are coming home to roost and these people who were lied to by Democrats are the ones paying the price.
- jmull 2y agoWhat’s the logical train of thought here? It’s OK for a citizen to lose their rights if a political party exists that espouses views you don’t agree with and it’s possible someone related to that citizen may (or may not) have listened to those views?
- ajross 2y agoI think the steelman version would be that the rights in question shouldn't exist. In that world view, the birthright citizenship granted by the 14th amendment is an inconvenience to be worked around; and the business here about forcing a "choice"[1] where the parents will "deport" their own citizen children is in fact the desired policy result and not a humanitarian horror. [1] Which of course isn't one, thus the Orwellian point upthread.
- tomrod 2y agoYeesh. Even the steelman is grossly immoral!
- const_cast 2y agoThe tired trope of blaming all bad Republican actions on Democrats because they "let it happen" is lame. No, the democrats are not secretly worse because they're watching evil happen. The people doing the evil are worse, actually. That's just how that works.
- low_tech_love 2y agoWhat promise was that, exactly? Do you have a quote? If not, and you mean “promise by inaction”, then could we say then that Trump made a promise to racists, neo-nazis, crypto criminals, the Russian government, etc?
- low_tech_love 2y agoHonest question, does it have to be done this way? Or could they wait maybe 2 extra hours until the child was safe? It seems to me that they are cowards who prey on those weaker than them and are too afraid to face those of their “own size”.