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The current administration has set targets for numbers of people deported(which ICE is currently behind on). That creates an incentive to skip due process in or

by pge 1y ago

The current administration has set targets for numbers of people deported(which ICE is currently behind on). That creates an incentive to skip due process in order to get more people deported more quickly (and the awareness that there will no consequences for doing so probably contributes as well)

scarface_74 1y ago
And while trying to meet those numbers, they are being specifically told not to do mass raids of farms and other business in red states that will hurt Trump voters
- mgkimsal 1y ago
  I suspect it's Trump donors they may be looking to spare, at least a bit. I don't get the impression they care about previous Trump voters very much, except to buy merch at this point.
- morkalork 1y ago
  Also, businesses caught employing illegal immigrants seemingly don't face any punishment either. Migrants wouldn't enter the US illegally if they couldn't find employment, and they wouldn't find employment if businesses were harshly punished. As it is, everyone is incentivized to keep this cat and mouse game going.
  - _DeadFred_ 1y ago
    THe FBI/ICE sure cam after a judge that helped an illegal immigrant. I'm sure the FBI/ICE is using the same zeal to go after employers who helped them.
    - tomrod 1y ago
      I'm a bit hazy on the story, but wasn't ICE interfering with her court?
      - Terr_ 1y ago
        And without any (actual, real, judicial) warrant. So in principle not that different from a biker gang that claims they "just want to talk to" someone who just finished being a witness.
  - LorenPechtel 1y ago
    The problem is one of documentation. Our system does not provide an adequate means of identifying those of legal status--and I think that's actually a good thing because the illegals would work under stolen identities rather than fake identities. Worse for those whose identity gets stolen (my mother had a long battle with the IRS over this--the IRS insisted that it was her responsibility to get her "employer" to fix her W2. The employer that she had never even heard of and couldn't locate. With the hindsight of the internet I suspect she should have filed the form to amend a W2, but this was before the internet.) And our work permit documentation is remarkably easy to fake and tricky for an employer to even verify. Consider: foreign passport. Social security card marked "not valid for employment". Letter from the Immigration department giving temporary work permission. Legal? Yes, that was my wife while we were going through the green card process.
- FireBeyond 1y ago
  Unless it’s Tyson chicken and the undocumented workers are getting a bit “uppitty” about OSHA stuff, then coordinate a raid but when the workers talk about the printed instructions they got from Tyson about how to fill out paperwork if you are undocumented, and what you plan to do about that, “we have no plans to investigate the company”.
- chairmansteve 1y ago
  Yep. Their rabble rousing lies are meeting the hard reality that the country depends on these workers. They can't deliver without destroying the food and construction industries. So it's random German tourists at the border.
briffle 1y ago
They are also trying to push for an end to birthright citizenship.
- tim333 1y ago
  Though they'll have a job doing that. 2/3 majority needed to change the constitution.
  - grafmax 1y ago
    They have other plans such as intimidating the judiciary. That’s just for starters. If you think the uphill battle of a constitutional amendment is going to save us I think you should pay closer attention to what’s been going on.
    - HaZeust 1y ago
      Screw intimidating the Judiciary, they're just not listening to them anymore at all - specifically for their rulings on our constitutional guarantees for Due Process as "persons" on U.S. soil. 9-0 with the Garcia case, and Trump told them all to kick rocks and that he's there for good - and that he won't "faciliate" and "effectuate" anything per their ruling. The SC's rulings - ESPCIALLY ON CONSITUTIONAL RIGHTS (which is the *REAL* part you all should care about) mean nothing to him when they're inconvenient, now. The executive doesn't care anymore, and is unchecked. The executive is ROGUE now, the executive is to be dealt with.
  - EasyMark 1y ago
    They're trying to get it to the supreme court and hoping there are enough Trump loyalists there to overturn 250 years of precedent.
masklinn 1y ago
The administration has also been "defending" their absence of due process and trying to work around judge orders to stop, shaving as close to the letter of judicial orders as they could when they don't just ignore them entirely. ICE taking that as carte blanche to smash and grab is perfectly logical given that agency is ICE.
chairmansteve 1y ago
Explains the deportation of Canadian and European tourists. They need to get their numbers up.

by pge 1y ago

scarface_74 1y ago

And while trying to meet those numbers, they are being specifically told not to do mass raids of farms and other business in red states that will hurt Trump voters

mgkimsal 1y ago
I suspect it's Trump donors they may be looking to spare, at least a bit. I don't get the impression they care about previous Trump voters very much, except to buy merch at this point.
morkalork 1y ago
Also, businesses caught employing illegal immigrants seemingly don't face any punishment either. Migrants wouldn't enter the US illegally if they couldn't find employment, and they wouldn't find employment if businesses were harshly punished. As it is, everyone is incentivized to keep this cat and mouse game going.
- _DeadFred_ 1y ago
  THe FBI/ICE sure cam after a judge that helped an illegal immigrant. I'm sure the FBI/ICE is using the same zeal to go after employers who helped them.
  - tomrod 1y ago
    I'm a bit hazy on the story, but wasn't ICE interfering with her court?
    - Terr_ 1y ago
      And without any (actual, real, judicial) warrant. So in principle not that different from a biker gang that claims they "just want to talk to" someone who just finished being a witness.
- LorenPechtel 1y ago
  The problem is one of documentation. Our system does not provide an adequate means of identifying those of legal status--and I think that's actually a good thing because the illegals would work under stolen identities rather than fake identities. Worse for those whose identity gets stolen (my mother had a long battle with the IRS over this--the IRS insisted that it was her responsibility to get her "employer" to fix her W2. The employer that she had never even heard of and couldn't locate. With the hindsight of the internet I suspect she should have filed the form to amend a W2, but this was before the internet.) And our work permit documentation is remarkably easy to fake and tricky for an employer to even verify. Consider: foreign passport. Social security card marked "not valid for employment". Letter from the Immigration department giving temporary work permission. Legal? Yes, that was my wife while we were going through the green card process.
FireBeyond 1y ago
Unless it’s Tyson chicken and the undocumented workers are getting a bit “uppitty” about OSHA stuff, then coordinate a raid but when the workers talk about the printed instructions they got from Tyson about how to fill out paperwork if you are undocumented, and what you plan to do about that, “we have no plans to investigate the company”.
chairmansteve 1y ago
Yep. Their rabble rousing lies are meeting the hard reality that the country depends on these workers. They can't deliver without destroying the food and construction industries. So it's random German tourists at the border.

briffle 1y ago

They are also trying to push for an end to birthright citizenship.

tim333 1y ago
Though they'll have a job doing that. 2/3 majority needed to change the constitution.
- grafmax 1y ago
  They have other plans such as intimidating the judiciary. That’s just for starters. If you think the uphill battle of a constitutional amendment is going to save us I think you should pay closer attention to what’s been going on.
  - HaZeust 1y ago
    Screw intimidating the Judiciary, they're just not listening to them anymore at all - specifically for their rulings on our constitutional guarantees for Due Process as "persons" on U.S. soil. 9-0 with the Garcia case, and Trump told them all to kick rocks and that he's there for good - and that he won't "faciliate" and "effectuate" anything per their ruling. The SC's rulings - ESPCIALLY ON CONSITUTIONAL RIGHTS (which is the *REAL* part you all should care about) mean nothing to him when they're inconvenient, now. The executive doesn't care anymore, and is unchecked. The executive is ROGUE now, the executive is to be dealt with.
- EasyMark 1y ago
  They're trying to get it to the supreme court and hoping there are enough Trump loyalists there to overturn 250 years of precedent.

masklinn 1y ago

The administration has also been "defending" their absence of due process and trying to work around judge orders to stop, shaving as close to the letter of judicial orders as they could when they don't just ignore them entirely. ICE taking that as carte blanche to smash and grab is perfectly logical given that agency is ICE.

chairmansteve 1y ago

Explains the deportation of Canadian and European tourists. They need to get their numbers up.