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Oh wow, what a choice! Imagine, having a gun to your head and saying "but i had a choice!" In no way can you say that these people, given no legal advocates, ch
by miltonlost 1y ago
Oh wow, what a choice! Imagine, having a gun to your head and saying "but i had a choice!" In no way can you say that these people, given no legal advocates, chose to bring their children, or at least freely chose.
- koolba 1y agoBeing eventually forced to decide whether to leave your child behind or take them with you out of the USA is a direct consequence of the choice to illegally enter the country. Are you suggesting we never deport parents under any circumstance? Having a citizen child is not some get-out-deportation-free card.
- exe34 1y agoDid a judge rule on this alleged "illegally"? Elon Musk also entered the country illegally to work by pretending to be a student, and somehow he got given the keys to the treasury.
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- paulryanrogers 1y agoNo one is saying parents cannot be deported. Rather that ICE clearly engineered the circumstances to ensure the child and mother were deported without any practical opportunity for the child to stay.
- lokar 1y agoEntering the US without permission is a civil offense, not a crime in the way most people think of them.
- didgeoridoo 1y agoYou’re thinking of visa overstay (a civil offense). Unauthorized entry is a criminal misdemeanor. Re-entry after deportation rises to a felony.
- lokar 1y agoAh, yes. But a misdemeanor is fairly minor, all things considered.
- kjksf 1y agoIs it, though? > Entering the United States illegally is not classified as a civil offense; it is a criminal offense. Under U.S. law, specifically under Title 8 of the U.S. Code, unauthorized entry into the country is considered a misdemeanor. The specific statute is 8 U.S.C. § 1325
- oblio 1y agoAmericans are extremely cruel. The real solution to this is to end jus solis. Separating children from parents is incredibly cruel, inhumane, even.
- tomrod 1y ago> The real solution to this is to end jus solis. No, that's a step down a terrible return to pre-Civil War policy. We should be actively fighting against enslavement and for due process, not throwing our hands up and saying "well, guess we can't [bring them back from El Salvador, have a sane policy with respect to families, have people's rights to citizenship and legal residence respected]".
- oblio 1y agoWell, I wish you luck with that, you're currently losing. I have nothing to gain from the US devolving from a democracy, but you're headed that way.
- datameta 1y agoThis is like claiming that getting conscripted into the Russian Federation Armed Forces is a direct consequence of entering illegally So is their life forfeit now, and the respective goverment absolved of responsibility?
- tomrod 1y agoSuch a society that chooses that has no respect for the rights of an individual.
- remarkEon 1y agoConscription was, and probably still is in places around the world, a consequence of illegal entry or for a number of different offenses. It isn't here in the United States so I'm not sure what your point is.
- BobaFloutist 1y agoActually yeah, I think having a minor citizen child should probably automatically make you a citizen, or at the very least a legal permanent resident (but that's stupid, let's just stick to citizen).