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I think if you push your friend, specifically on the trans argument, you might learn something about him. I'm not sure how anyone could believe immigrants are

I think if you push your friend, specifically on the trans argument, you might learn something about him. I'm not sure how anyone could believe immigrants are intrinsically bad without racism tbh.

scarface_74 1y ago
Illegal immigration is what he is opposed to. It’s relatively easy for someone to understand just by taking a slight step back out of their world view why a man may be attracted to another man or a woman may be a attracted to another woman or someone may be attracted to both sexes. But trans goes against everything they know about science. And even for those who are very much “let you do you” thinks it’s a bridge too far to have biological men in women’s sports. This is a bridge too far for even me (yes I know it’s an unpopular opinion) and I’m a “f*! the police”,BLM, universal healthcare, free college education, religious skeptical, increase the safety net and lean liberal
- 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 1y ago
  Are you okay with me living as a woman as long as I promise not to play any professional sports? :P
  - scarface_74 1y ago
    Yep. I would call you by your preferred name and pronoun and fight anyone who discriminated against your ability to get a job, a passport, etc.
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ryandrake 1y ago
I've found it's generally not worth it to push the discussion when it comes to politics. People will just dig in and there goes the friendship. I'm (apparently, or so I'm told) a flaming lefty lib, who recently moved out of the Bay Area to a very "red" part of California. If I limited my friends to only people like me politically, I'd have to be a hermit. I basically take it as given that any new person I strike up a conversation with will not agree with my politics, so I just don't bring it up. Most of my friends got the hint clearly when they brought some of their Trump shit up and I immediately steered the conversation away. We have a good understanding--let's talk about positive things we have in common: hobbies, beer, cars, whatever. Don't bring up politics or religion, and you can make friends with anyone! Some of them just can't bear to live even a few minutes without talking about their politics at every possible moment, and they're just not friends anymore.
- 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 1y ago
  That must be where we differ. I don't want friends who vote for Republicans. I am trans so I have less choice. It's my head on the chopping block once they get bored of hurting immigrants
xvokcarts 1y ago
I think it's the mass immigrations that (some) people are calling out as not in their own best interest, without necessarily believing the immigrants are bad or in any way worse humans than themselves to call it racist.

I think if you push your friend, specifically on the trans argument, you might learn something about him. I'm not sure how anyone could believe immigrants are intrinsically bad without racism tbh.

scarface_74 1y ago

Illegal immigration is what he is opposed to. It’s relatively easy for someone to understand just by taking a slight step back out of their world view why a man may be attracted to another man or a woman may be a attracted to another woman or someone may be attracted to both sexes. But trans goes against everything they know about science. And even for those who are very much “let you do you” thinks it’s a bridge too far to have biological men in women’s sports. This is a bridge too far for even me (yes I know it’s an unpopular opinion) and I’m a “f*! the police”,BLM, universal healthcare, free college education, religious skeptical, increase the safety net and lean liberal

01HNNWZ0MV43FF 1y ago
Are you okay with me living as a woman as long as I promise not to play any professional sports? :P
- scarface_74 1y ago
  Yep. I would call you by your preferred name and pronoun and fight anyone who discriminated against your ability to get a job, a passport, etc.

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ryandrake 1y ago

I've found it's generally not worth it to push the discussion when it comes to politics. People will just dig in and there goes the friendship. I'm (apparently, or so I'm told) a flaming lefty lib, who recently moved out of the Bay Area to a very "red" part of California. If I limited my friends to only people like me politically, I'd have to be a hermit. I basically take it as given that any new person I strike up a conversation with will not agree with my politics, so I just don't bring it up. Most of my friends got the hint clearly when they brought some of their Trump shit up and I immediately steered the conversation away. We have a good understanding--let's talk about positive things we have in common: hobbies, beer, cars, whatever. Don't bring up politics or religion, and you can make friends with anyone! Some of them just can't bear to live even a few minutes without talking about their politics at every possible moment, and they're just not friends anymore.

01HNNWZ0MV43FF 1y ago
That must be where we differ. I don't want friends who vote for Republicans. I am trans so I have less choice. It's my head on the chopping block once they get bored of hurting immigrants

xvokcarts 1y ago

I think it's the mass immigrations that (some) people are calling out as not in their own best interest, without necessarily believing the immigrants are bad or in any way worse humans than themselves to call it racist.