5 ms·

Inmates in ElSalvador tortured/strangled-hellish conditions in Bukele's prisons (2023)

100 points by nobody9999 2y ago

nobody9999 2y ago
N.B: From 2023. Title was already too long to add the date. Original title: Inmates in El Salvador tortured and strangled: A report denounces hellish conditions in Bukele’s prisons
devrandoom 2y ago
Handy that's outside US and not their responsibility. Remember that Auschwitz was also outside Germany.
- freen 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - ImJamal 2y ago
    He also loved dogs and was a vegan, but it is completely off topic.
    - dyauspitr 2y ago
      Dogs and dietary habits are not on the roadmap to complete dictatorship so they’re irrelevant.
      - freen 2y ago
        Completely destroying the local economy, severing ties with other countries, and irrational isolationism are, in fact, on the roadmap to complete dictatorship.
        dyauspitr 2y ago
        Yes we’re saying the same thing.
        freen 2y ago
        I know. HN doesn’t do subtlety, hence I felt the need to spell it out. Even at that, we have the “how are tariffs related to authoritarianism” stuff.
      - ImJamal 2y ago
        How are tarrifs relevant?
freen 2y ago
The cruelty is the point.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
deleted 2y ago
[deleted]
OutOfHere 2y ago
It is a concentration camp, not a prison.
BSDobelix 2y ago
From 2021 to 2024, the homicide rate in El Salvador decreased by 10 times [1]. Sure, torture is terrible in El Salvador's prison, as it is in Guantánamo's "prison", but public safety is the number one priority for any government, without safety any other achievement for a country is impossible. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_El_Salvador https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_El_Salvador
- ForHackernews 2y ago
  This is a deeply anti-American, authoritarian sentiment. "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." ~ Benjamin Franklin
  - lostmsu 2y ago
    How would you compare torture to civil war AKA mass murder?
    - soganess 2y ago
      I would reject the comparison as a false dichotomy. The world's political systems can't just be bimodal distribution of ineffectual neolibs and self-styled 'strong man' autocracts.
      - lostmsu 2y ago
        I didn't ask to choose one or the other, therefore there's no dichotomy, therefore there's no false dichotomy.
        ForHackernews 2y ago
        I don't understand the question either. "Compare" in what way? Both torture and civil war are bad, but they're not similar or analogous. How would you compare child abuse to famine?
bitbasher 2y ago
[flagged]
- estebarb 2y ago
  Without fair trial there is no proof they are associated with gangs and violence. Thousands of innocents are jailed in there. https://www.rfi.fr/es/programas/noticias-de-am%C3%A9rica/20250203-dos-a%C3%B1os-del-cecot-gran-exponente-de-la-guerra-contra-las-pandillas-en-el-salvador https://www.rfi.fr/es/programas/noticias-de-am%C3%A9rica/202...
  - bitbasher 2y ago
    The ends justify the means?
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
    - bigbadfeline 2y ago
      How can we even know ends or means if the government or whatever cult/cartel/corp/warlord can dictate what information is released and what you know? Those who try to tell the truth are labeled "violent gangsters" and dealt with by the "justified means", whatever that is. Objectively "the ends justify the means" is BS. I'm not saying you don't have the right to believe in it, you do, but in order to prove your worth, I want to see you with a camera inside one of those prisons 24x7 for a couple of months at least.
  - BSDobelix 2y ago
    >no proof they are associated with gangs and violence Look at the picture in your linked article, who are you trying to confuse? >Thousands of innocents are jailed in there. Maybe, maybe not. But definitely better than ~10000 killed in the meantime, the statistics speak for themselves.
    - smegger001 2y ago

100 points by nobody9999 2y ago

N.B: From 2023. Title was already too long to add the date. Original title: Inmates in El Salvador tortured and strangled: A report denounces hellish conditions in Bukele’s prisons

devrandoom 2y ago

Handy that's outside US and not their responsibility. Remember that Auschwitz was also outside Germany.

freen 2y ago
[flagged]
- ImJamal 2y ago
  He also loved dogs and was a vegan, but it is completely off topic.
  - dyauspitr 2y ago
    Dogs and dietary habits are not on the roadmap to complete dictatorship so they’re irrelevant.
    - freen 2y ago
      Completely destroying the local economy, severing ties with other countries, and irrational isolationism are, in fact, on the roadmap to complete dictatorship.
      - dyauspitr 2y ago
        Yes we’re saying the same thing.
        freen 2y ago
        I know. HN doesn’t do subtlety, hence I felt the need to spell it out. Even at that, we have the “how are tariffs related to authoritarianism” stuff.
    - ImJamal 2y ago
      How are tarrifs relevant?

freen 2y ago

The cruelty is the point.

deleted 2y ago
[deleted]

deleted 2y ago

[deleted]

OutOfHere 2y ago

It is a concentration camp, not a prison.

BSDobelix 2y ago

From 2021 to 2024, the homicide rate in El Salvador decreased by 10 times [1]. Sure, torture is terrible in El Salvador's prison, as it is in Guantánamo's "prison", but public safety is the number one priority for any government, without safety any other achievement for a country is impossible. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_El_Salvador https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_El_Salvador

ForHackernews 2y ago
This is a deeply anti-American, authoritarian sentiment. "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." ~ Benjamin Franklin
- lostmsu 2y ago
  How would you compare torture to civil war AKA mass murder?
  - soganess 2y ago
    I would reject the comparison as a false dichotomy. The world's political systems can't just be bimodal distribution of ineffectual neolibs and self-styled 'strong man' autocracts.
    - lostmsu 2y ago
      I didn't ask to choose one or the other, therefore there's no dichotomy, therefore there's no false dichotomy.
      - ForHackernews 2y ago
        I don't understand the question either. "Compare" in what way? Both torture and civil war are bad, but they're not similar or analogous. How would you compare child abuse to famine?

bitbasher 2y ago

[flagged]

estebarb 2y ago
Without fair trial there is no proof they are associated with gangs and violence. Thousands of innocents are jailed in there. https://www.rfi.fr/es/programas/noticias-de-am%C3%A9rica/20250203-dos-a%C3%B1os-del-cecot-gran-exponente-de-la-guerra-contra-las-pandillas-en-el-salvador https://www.rfi.fr/es/programas/noticias-de-am%C3%A9rica/202...
- bitbasher 2y ago
  The ends justify the means?
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - bigbadfeline 2y ago
    How can we even know ends or means if the government or whatever cult/cartel/corp/warlord can dictate what information is released and what you know? Those who try to tell the truth are labeled "violent gangsters" and dealt with by the "justified means", whatever that is. Objectively "the ends justify the means" is BS. I'm not saying you don't have the right to believe in it, you do, but in order to prove your worth, I want to see you with a camera inside one of those prisons 24x7 for a couple of months at least.
- BSDobelix 2y ago
  >no proof they are associated with gangs and violence Look at the picture in your linked article, who are you trying to confuse? >Thousands of innocents are jailed in there. Maybe, maybe not. But definitely better than ~10000 killed in the meantime, the statistics speak for themselves.
  - smegger001 2y ago