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Thank you. More and more, especially in engineering, I am in contact with people who just want everything to be easy to understand in TikTok length video clips

by Loic 1y ago

Thank you. More and more, especially in engineering, I am in contact with people who just want everything to be easy to understand in TikTok length video clips or short posts. Some things are hard to understand, dynamic systems especially, black or white answers do not exist. (Sorry for the slightly off-topic/meta rant. This hit a nerve by me.)

lukan 1y ago
Well, I believe things with serious consequences like banning someone permanently - should indeed be presented clearly. Exactly because I know some organisations like to shield themself from criticism, by having a intransparent process.
- 20after4 1y ago
  It's pretty straightforward but nothing on Wikipedia is really black-and-white. Most decisions are made through a consensus process. It's really quite different from what most people are used to. A good place to start for information about how user blocking is done would be the following links: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Policies_and_guidelines#Enforcement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Policies_and_guideli... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppetry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppetry In this case I think that a sock puppet account can be trivially blocked without much process as long as it can be proved that it is operated by someone who is already blocked for some violation. The sock puppet is an attempt at evading the block that was placed on that user's other account.
  - kurtreed2 1y ago
    That's right. Often due process is skipped even if the blocks turn out to be errors or collateral damages later. It's not going to be 100% perfect at all because stylometries can be obfuscated (see https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7345380/ https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7345380/) and there are tools like VNC and residential proxy applications to evade IP-based tracing and detection.
- intended 1y ago
  You may believe your position is: > should indeed be presented clearly. Exactly because I know some organisations like to shield themself from criticism, by having a intransparent process but > Because it is extremely hard to figure out what is going on. Lots of mysterious abbreviations. Unclear timeline. > But in a real court, I can see the verdict and the laws that were broken. All in complicated, but readable english. Which makes it clear (usually). But in wikipedia to understand a indefinite ban, I have to understand global wiki community dynamics first? your position aligns with someone who desires decision with serious consequences to be easy to understand.

by Loic 1y ago

lukan 1y ago

Well, I believe things with serious consequences like banning someone permanently - should indeed be presented clearly. Exactly because I know some organisations like to shield themself from criticism, by having a intransparent process.

20after4 1y ago
It's pretty straightforward but nothing on Wikipedia is really black-and-white. Most decisions are made through a consensus process. It's really quite different from what most people are used to. A good place to start for information about how user blocking is done would be the following links: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Policies_and_guidelines#Enforcement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Policies_and_guideli... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppetry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppetry In this case I think that a sock puppet account can be trivially blocked without much process as long as it can be proved that it is operated by someone who is already blocked for some violation. The sock puppet is an attempt at evading the block that was placed on that user's other account.
- kurtreed2 1y ago
  That's right. Often due process is skipped even if the blocks turn out to be errors or collateral damages later. It's not going to be 100% perfect at all because stylometries can be obfuscated (see https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7345380/ https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7345380/) and there are tools like VNC and residential proxy applications to evade IP-based tracing and detection.
intended 1y ago
You may believe your position is: > should indeed be presented clearly. Exactly because I know some organisations like to shield themself from criticism, by having a intransparent process but > Because it is extremely hard to figure out what is going on. Lots of mysterious abbreviations. Unclear timeline. > But in a real court, I can see the verdict and the laws that were broken. All in complicated, but readable english. Which makes it clear (usually). But in wikipedia to understand a indefinite ban, I have to understand global wiki community dynamics first? your position aligns with someone who desires decision with serious consequences to be easy to understand.