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They definitely tried... $7.5 Billion worth. It's on pause now :-( https://www.govtech.com/transportation/federal-funding-for-ev-charging-infrastructure-is-pau

by phonon 1y ago

They definitely tried... $7.5 Billion worth. It's on pause now :-( https://www.govtech.com/transportation/federal-funding-for-ev-charging-infrastructure-is-paused https://www.govtech.com/transportation/federal-funding-for-e...

cpursley 1y ago
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- perihelions 1y ago
  That program should be a textbook case-study in how not to run federal projects. Here's a true statistic: https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2024/03/28/ev-charging-stations-slow-rollout/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2024/03/28/... ("Biden’s $7.5 billion investment in EV charging has only produced 7 stations in two years" (2024))
  - cpursley 1y ago
    That's insane. Wild that people defend this because they hate Trump so much (yeah he's a bag-oh-farts, but that's a lot of damn money).
    - dml2135 1y ago
      They didn’t spend most of that money yet. This is a story about a program not getting off the ground in two years and then being cancelled by the political opposition. Is two years too slow? You could certainly argue that. But this really isn’t a story about government incompetence wasting billions of dollars on a handful or charging stations. Money was allocated, but it never had the chance to be spent.
      - cpursley 1y ago
        The $500 million that was wasted could have bought the taxpayer 10,000 electric cars. Just ponder on that. Where is the damn money?
        dml2135 1y ago
        You don’t get 1/10 the chargers for 1/10 the money, thats not how projects work. You need to hire people, make a plan, and execute on the plan, and all of that has upfront costs. The same in government as in business — why do you think startups need investors? That money was wasted when the project was cancelled, not before.
- motorest 1y ago
  > Yeah, because it was ineffective and the people running it, like most federal bureaucracy - extremely incompetent (to mind bending shocking levels). I think this sort of statement should be revised. From an outsider's point of view, there is a political current within the US that pushes with a fundamentalist fervor the idea that state institutions cannot do any good or anything right. This becomes a self fulfilling prophecy when they elect candidates that push these ideals, which have a vested interest in sabotaging, derailing, and shutting down projects.
  - eagerpace 1y ago
    It’s not just a perspective. Tesla was doing this just fine, building tons of chargers, profitably. The government attempts to stimulate more but at a much higher cost. I have yet to charge anywhere but a Tesla charger. I do think the NACS standard finally being widely adopted would have changed things but came a little too late.
    - cpursley 1y ago
      Exactly this. It's not a left/right thing; I'm really tired of the charged partisan excuses (pun intended). What I'm saying is, where is all the charging infrastructure that my tax payer dollars payed for? Where the hell did the money go? If we can't get refunds for wasted taxpayer money, we need to start reevaluating if some of these programs should even exist.
      - dml2135 1y ago
        Did you read the article? The program was just paused, and most of the money was never spent. > Approval of funding does not necessarily mean the money has been dispersed. Only about $500 million of the $5 billion allotted for NEVI had been dispersed as of October, said Corey Harper, assistant professor of civil and environmental engineering at Carnegie Mellon University’s College of Engineering, who has conducted research into the NEVI program
        cpursley 1y ago
hed 1y ago
And how many stations did that yield?
DidYaWipe 1y ago
I don't think they actually tried. They created a fund... and then did nothing to implement the intended result.
alexzapata8405 1y ago
To the other commenters replying to you, and to you as well, the money is committed in a way that is difficult if not impossible to prevent from going out the door once projects are complete or hit specific milestones. Many projects are already underway but it takes time to select sites, developers, manufacture chargers, negotiate with utilities, and develop the sites. This work is underway and many more chargers will come online over the next few years. The new administration is preventing new projects, but horses have already left the barn.
- phonon 1y ago
  I certainly hope so. But this[1] (not to mention other highly illegal "impoundment" type actions of this administration) gives me little succor. :-( [1] https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/nevi/resources/state-plan-approval-suspension.pdf https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/nevi/resources/state-pl...

by phonon 1y ago

cpursley 1y ago

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perihelions 1y ago
That program should be a textbook case-study in how not to run federal projects. Here's a true statistic: https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2024/03/28/ev-charging-stations-slow-rollout/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2024/03/28/... ("Biden’s $7.5 billion investment in EV charging has only produced 7 stations in two years" (2024))
- cpursley 1y ago
  That's insane. Wild that people defend this because they hate Trump so much (yeah he's a bag-oh-farts, but that's a lot of damn money).
  - dml2135 1y ago
    They didn’t spend most of that money yet. This is a story about a program not getting off the ground in two years and then being cancelled by the political opposition. Is two years too slow? You could certainly argue that. But this really isn’t a story about government incompetence wasting billions of dollars on a handful or charging stations. Money was allocated, but it never had the chance to be spent.
    - cpursley 1y ago
      The $500 million that was wasted could have bought the taxpayer 10,000 electric cars. Just ponder on that. Where is the damn money?
      - dml2135 1y ago
        You don’t get 1/10 the chargers for 1/10 the money, thats not how projects work. You need to hire people, make a plan, and execute on the plan, and all of that has upfront costs. The same in government as in business — why do you think startups need investors? That money was wasted when the project was cancelled, not before.
motorest 1y ago
> Yeah, because it was ineffective and the people running it, like most federal bureaucracy - extremely incompetent (to mind bending shocking levels). I think this sort of statement should be revised. From an outsider's point of view, there is a political current within the US that pushes with a fundamentalist fervor the idea that state institutions cannot do any good or anything right. This becomes a self fulfilling prophecy when they elect candidates that push these ideals, which have a vested interest in sabotaging, derailing, and shutting down projects.
- eagerpace 1y ago
  It’s not just a perspective. Tesla was doing this just fine, building tons of chargers, profitably. The government attempts to stimulate more but at a much higher cost. I have yet to charge anywhere but a Tesla charger. I do think the NACS standard finally being widely adopted would have changed things but came a little too late.
  - cpursley 1y ago
    Exactly this. It's not a left/right thing; I'm really tired of the charged partisan excuses (pun intended). What I'm saying is, where is all the charging infrastructure that my tax payer dollars payed for? Where the hell did the money go? If we can't get refunds for wasted taxpayer money, we need to start reevaluating if some of these programs should even exist.
    - dml2135 1y ago
      Did you read the article? The program was just paused, and most of the money was never spent. > Approval of funding does not necessarily mean the money has been dispersed. Only about $500 million of the $5 billion allotted for NEVI had been dispersed as of October, said Corey Harper, assistant professor of civil and environmental engineering at Carnegie Mellon University’s College of Engineering, who has conducted research into the NEVI program
      - cpursley 1y ago

hed 1y ago

And how many stations did that yield?

DidYaWipe 1y ago

I don't think they actually tried. They created a fund... and then did nothing to implement the intended result.

alexzapata8405 1y ago

To the other commenters replying to you, and to you as well, the money is committed in a way that is difficult if not impossible to prevent from going out the door once projects are complete or hit specific milestones. Many projects are already underway but it takes time to select sites, developers, manufacture chargers, negotiate with utilities, and develop the sites. This work is underway and many more chargers will come online over the next few years. The new administration is preventing new projects, but horses have already left the barn.

phonon 1y ago
I certainly hope so. But this[1] (not to mention other highly illegal "impoundment" type actions of this administration) gives me little succor. :-( [1] https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/nevi/resources/state-plan-approval-suspension.pdf https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/nevi/resources/state-pl...