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He’s right and everyone knows it. It's pretty blatant and there have been lawsuits settle rather than go to a trial that would surely reveal the extent to whic

He’s right and everyone knows it. It's pretty blatant and there have been lawsuits settle rather than go to a trial that would surely reveal the extent to which this thing that’s obviously happening is happening https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/apple-siri-privacy-settlement-20011752.php?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/apple-siri-priva...

simonw 1y ago
I attempted to debunk that one here (an admittedly impossible task but I can't help myself trying): https://simonwillison.net/2025/Jan/2/they-spy-on-you-but-not-like-that/ https://simonwillison.net/2025/Jan/2/they-spy-on-you-but-not...
- number6 1y ago
  A swan can't stop a hurricane
  - simonw 1y ago
    OK wow that actually fits here. https://simonwillison.net/2025/Apr/23/meaning-slop/ https://simonwillison.net/2025/Apr/23/meaning-slop/
    - anenefan 1y ago
      lol so it's getting that bad. Assigning meaning to random phrases is BS. If it keeps on going it'll start attributing meaning to misspelled words. LLMs are only as good or bad as they are created - or their function / parameters? Google got real sad mid 00s - it's all about the money now isn't it. Topic recently [1] re Google A.I. BSing. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43748171 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43748171 ('Epistemological Slop: Lies, Damned Lies, and Google' - <newcartographies.com>)
      - number6 1y ago
        Isn't this how proverbs come to life? "Bobs your uncle" - all these proverbs are made up...
        anenefan 1y ago
        Yes people are creative and time to time come up with phrases, comments or sayings that catch on. It's how popular jokes start out as well. I'm not sure if you first thought it up or just repeated the term - as I see simonw meaning-slop link was posted as a separate post at HN 2 days ago. However it's certainly bad when some piss poor LLM starts flogging some nonce as a meaning. For example when using less well documented idioms or terminology - google sadly isn't that great any more at finding stuff, so ... not good if it just makes stuff up instead. New creative stuff, sometimes people can get the gist of it but all the same no one wants the likes of a search assistant vomiting all over it.
        number6 1y ago
        I read it two days ago and found it fitting :) I see your point - when LLMs just make stuff if to be helpful.
    - bananaboy 1y ago
      Searching for that phrase now shows your blog post as the top reference, and the AI overview now says it's a "nonsensical phrase used to illustrate how search engines can generate misleading or fabricated explanations for arbitrary inputs"! :O
    - Suppafly 1y ago
      man google's ai uses context clues better than some people I know. I kinda wish it wouldn't though, because it gives somewhat real sounding answers to things like that that actually have a different meaning because of historical and cultural context that it's not aware of. it should let you know when it's making something up using it's limited awareness of word meanings vs something that's an actual phrase that people use.
- alganet 1y ago
  It is irrelevant. The suggestion that spying is for advertisement makes no difference. That idea only exists to create fake two-dimensional anti-capilist rethoric, which is a rethoric easier to put down than the fact that privacy does not exist anymore. So, I am supposed to do this. To "correct you" and look very lunatic. It serves, however, a very specific goal. First, it cannot be copied en masse. If this behavior is copied (even as a meme), it implies doom to the more easier to defeat anti-capitalist rethoric and the birth of a true 3D anti-capitalist rethoric. It can only be mocked (smoking guy pointing to a conspiracy board), but that mockery is getting real serious real fast now. Can I dive deeper into the mechanics of how this is gonna go? We had so many chances, of doing good. You all had so many chances.

simonw 1y ago

I attempted to debunk that one here (an admittedly impossible task but I can't help myself trying): https://simonwillison.net/2025/Jan/2/they-spy-on-you-but-not-like-that/ https://simonwillison.net/2025/Jan/2/they-spy-on-you-but-not...

number6 1y ago
A swan can't stop a hurricane
- simonw 1y ago
  OK wow that actually fits here. https://simonwillison.net/2025/Apr/23/meaning-slop/ https://simonwillison.net/2025/Apr/23/meaning-slop/
  - anenefan 1y ago
    lol so it's getting that bad. Assigning meaning to random phrases is BS. If it keeps on going it'll start attributing meaning to misspelled words. LLMs are only as good or bad as they are created - or their function / parameters? Google got real sad mid 00s - it's all about the money now isn't it. Topic recently [1] re Google A.I. BSing. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43748171 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43748171 ('Epistemological Slop: Lies, Damned Lies, and Google' - <newcartographies.com>)
    - number6 1y ago
      Isn't this how proverbs come to life? "Bobs your uncle" - all these proverbs are made up...
      - anenefan 1y ago
        Yes people are creative and time to time come up with phrases, comments or sayings that catch on. It's how popular jokes start out as well. I'm not sure if you first thought it up or just repeated the term - as I see simonw meaning-slop link was posted as a separate post at HN 2 days ago. However it's certainly bad when some piss poor LLM starts flogging some nonce as a meaning. For example when using less well documented idioms or terminology - google sadly isn't that great any more at finding stuff, so ... not good if it just makes stuff up instead. New creative stuff, sometimes people can get the gist of it but all the same no one wants the likes of a search assistant vomiting all over it.
        number6 1y ago
        I read it two days ago and found it fitting :) I see your point - when LLMs just make stuff if to be helpful.
  - bananaboy 1y ago
    Searching for that phrase now shows your blog post as the top reference, and the AI overview now says it's a "nonsensical phrase used to illustrate how search engines can generate misleading or fabricated explanations for arbitrary inputs"! :O
  - Suppafly 1y ago
    man google's ai uses context clues better than some people I know. I kinda wish it wouldn't though, because it gives somewhat real sounding answers to things like that that actually have a different meaning because of historical and cultural context that it's not aware of. it should let you know when it's making something up using it's limited awareness of word meanings vs something that's an actual phrase that people use.
alganet 1y ago
It is irrelevant. The suggestion that spying is for advertisement makes no difference. That idea only exists to create fake two-dimensional anti-capilist rethoric, which is a rethoric easier to put down than the fact that privacy does not exist anymore. So, I am supposed to do this. To "correct you" and look very lunatic. It serves, however, a very specific goal. First, it cannot be copied en masse. If this behavior is copied (even as a meme), it implies doom to the more easier to defeat anti-capitalist rethoric and the birth of a true 3D anti-capitalist rethoric. It can only be mocked (smoking guy pointing to a conspiracy board), but that mockery is getting real serious real fast now. Can I dive deeper into the mechanics of how this is gonna go? We had so many chances, of doing good. You all had so many chances.