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Could one of you point me to antisemitic bias on wikipedia just so I have a concrete example at hand?

moshegramovsky 2y ago
https://www.adl.org/resources/report/editing-hate-how-anti-israel-and-anti-jewish-bias-undermines-wikipedias-neutrality https://www.adl.org/resources/report/editing-hate-how-anti-i... Read it for yourself.
- pesus 2y ago
  I'm not sure the organization that defended Musk's Nazi salute is a reliable source on antisemitism.
- intermerda 2y ago
  I tried giving it a shot. It starts with an "executive summary", followed by an intro to how Wikipedia works. The very first link to any concrete evidence is by a guy who has a page on PragerU with gems like "Russian collusion hoax" and how the "mainstream media" is "fake news". It's a pretty simple case of Wittgenstein's ruler for me. It tells me more about ADL as an org than the content.
- hackandthink 2y ago
  The analysis there is not convincing. It is obvious that Wikipedia admins communicate with each other. The fact that Aljazeera is referenced is also okay. In fact, this is not the official Israeli narrative, it seems rather trustworthy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_co...
- Braxton1980 2y ago
  Instead of posting another person's argument that contains your source can you be more specific? This is like citing an entire book to prove a point.
- deeThrow94 2y ago
  The ADL destroyed any credibility they had worked to build when they started conflating criticism of israel with antisemitism.
- Kim_Bruning 2y ago
  Oh, that's VERY interesting. Thank you very much. Needs to be checked a bit more thoroughly, but the ADL report and the D.C. U.S. attorney's letter seem to have significant thematic overlap. It could well have served as one of the sources.
emacsen 2y ago
Basically, almost any time Zionists are mentioned, they're mentioned in a negative light and with genuine disinformation, such as that Zionism is the belief that Arabs needs to be destroyed. That is like saying the Civil Rights movement in the US was about killing white people. They also position things in such a way that implies antisemitic things, such as saying that Zionism is only 200 years old, or discussing the Israel wars only or primarily through an Arab lens. These biases around Jewish topics are small individually but large in aggregate, especially in how they present Jews and Jewish topics. Multiple Jewish and civil rights organizations have done a more comprehensive job at discussing this, even organizations who don't usually agree on things. While they talk about "anti-Israel bias" Wikipedia articles on or mentioning Zionism (80% of Jews are Zionist) are IMHO just as, if not more damaging, and demonstrate the issue. Most importantly though, talk to the Jews in your life about this. They will tell you. https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/wikipedia-entries-show-anti-israel-bias-says-wjc https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/wikipedia-entrie... https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-846563 https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-846563 https://cameraoncampus.org/blog/seven-tactics-wikipedia-editors-used-to-spread-anti-israel-bias-since-oct-7/ https://cameraoncampus.org/blog/seven-tactics-wikipedia-edit... https://www.adl.org/resources/report/editing-hate-how-anti-israel-and-anti-jewish-bias-undermines-wikipedias-neutrality https://www.adl.org/resources/report/editing-hate-how-anti-i... https://www.standwithus.com/post/it-s-time-to-correct-wikipedia-s-dangerous-anti-israel-bias-opinion https://www.standwithus.com/post/it-s-time-to-correct-wikipe... https://www.piratewires.com/p/how-wikipedia-s-pro-hamas-editors-hijacked-the-israel-palestine-narrative https://www.piratewires.com/p/how-wikipedia-s-pro-hamas-edit...
- giraffe_lady 2y ago
  Most of the jews I know are through anti-genocide activism and they have a different view of this. I wanted to check because it is important to me that I not engage in antisemitism. Thanks for the info.
  - emacsen 2y ago
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https://www.adl.org/resources/report/editing-hate-how-anti-israel-and-anti-jewish-bias-undermines-wikipedias-neutrality https://www.adl.org/resources/report/editing-hate-how-anti-i... Read it for yourself.

pesus 2y ago
I'm not sure the organization that defended Musk's Nazi salute is a reliable source on antisemitism.
intermerda 2y ago
I tried giving it a shot. It starts with an "executive summary", followed by an intro to how Wikipedia works. The very first link to any concrete evidence is by a guy who has a page on PragerU with gems like "Russian collusion hoax" and how the "mainstream media" is "fake news". It's a pretty simple case of Wittgenstein's ruler for me. It tells me more about ADL as an org than the content.
hackandthink 2y ago
The analysis there is not convincing. It is obvious that Wikipedia admins communicate with each other. The fact that Aljazeera is referenced is also okay. In fact, this is not the official Israeli narrative, it seems rather trustworthy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_co...
Braxton1980 2y ago
Instead of posting another person's argument that contains your source can you be more specific? This is like citing an entire book to prove a point.
deeThrow94 2y ago
The ADL destroyed any credibility they had worked to build when they started conflating criticism of israel with antisemitism.
Kim_Bruning 2y ago
Oh, that's VERY interesting. Thank you very much. Needs to be checked a bit more thoroughly, but the ADL report and the D.C. U.S. attorney's letter seem to have significant thematic overlap. It could well have served as one of the sources.

emacsen 2y ago

Basically, almost any time Zionists are mentioned, they're mentioned in a negative light and with genuine disinformation, such as that Zionism is the belief that Arabs needs to be destroyed. That is like saying the Civil Rights movement in the US was about killing white people. They also position things in such a way that implies antisemitic things, such as saying that Zionism is only 200 years old, or discussing the Israel wars only or primarily through an Arab lens. These biases around Jewish topics are small individually but large in aggregate, especially in how they present Jews and Jewish topics. Multiple Jewish and civil rights organizations have done a more comprehensive job at discussing this, even organizations who don't usually agree on things. While they talk about "anti-Israel bias" Wikipedia articles on or mentioning Zionism (80% of Jews are Zionist) are IMHO just as, if not more damaging, and demonstrate the issue. Most importantly though, talk to the Jews in your life about this. They will tell you. https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/wikipedia-entries-show-anti-israel-bias-says-wjc https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/wikipedia-entrie... https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-846563 https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-846563 https://cameraoncampus.org/blog/seven-tactics-wikipedia-editors-used-to-spread-anti-israel-bias-since-oct-7/ https://cameraoncampus.org/blog/seven-tactics-wikipedia-edit... https://www.adl.org/resources/report/editing-hate-how-anti-israel-and-anti-jewish-bias-undermines-wikipedias-neutrality https://www.adl.org/resources/report/editing-hate-how-anti-i... https://www.standwithus.com/post/it-s-time-to-correct-wikipedia-s-dangerous-anti-israel-bias-opinion https://www.standwithus.com/post/it-s-time-to-correct-wikipe... https://www.piratewires.com/p/how-wikipedia-s-pro-hamas-editors-hijacked-the-israel-palestine-narrative https://www.piratewires.com/p/how-wikipedia-s-pro-hamas-edit...

giraffe_lady 2y ago
Most of the jews I know are through anti-genocide activism and they have a different view of this. I wanted to check because it is important to me that I not engage in antisemitism. Thanks for the info.
- emacsen 2y ago
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