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> I remain horrified that people I really thought were normal Americans are willing to burn it all down just so they don't have to hear Spanish spoken in their

> I remain horrified that people I really thought were normal Americans are willing to burn it all down just so they don't have to hear Spanish spoken in their doctor's office. Calling people who are against illegal immigration "racist" just makes it worse. A majority of people are fine with legal migration, a supermajority of people think illegal immigrants should get deported. So no, the issue most see isn't that they don't like Spanish, the issue is that they are here illegally.

scarface_74 2y ago
As far as the Republican Party, statistics don’t back up the idea they are okay with legal immigration. https://globalaffairs.org/research/public-opinion-survey/republican-concerns-over-immigration-hit-all-time-high https://globalaffairs.org/research/public-opinion-survey/rep... In Florida, Desantis is so against legal migration he is trying to relax child labor laws. Even now there is a share of Republicans especially in southern states who are still against interracial marriages. https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/interracial-marriage-supreme-loving/tnamp/ https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/interracial-marri...
- Jensson 2y ago
  > As far as the Republican Party, statistics don’t back up the idea they are okay with legal immigration. I said majority of people, not majority of republicans. That means there are still many republicans that like legal immigration, wealthy people like when labor is allowed to immigrate, Elon Musk is one such person among many others. If Trump said he would deport all the legal immigrants he would likely not have won the election, that they are illegal is core to his support.
- s1artibartfast 2y ago
  >Half of Republicans (50%) say legal immigration into the United States should be decreased. This is a far shot from being against legal migration entirely.
  - dragonwriter 2y ago
    > This is a far shot from being against legal migration entirely. Sure, its simply about preferring strong ethnic controls on immigration: while only 50% of Republicans think legal immigration should be decreased, 61% think that immigration "from other cultures" has mainly negative consequences. It's not that Republicans are against legal immigration entirely, its just that they are (in the majority) against any immigration from the places most immigrants come from; they are fine with legal immigration of white Christian conservatives, especially from the rest of the anglosphere.
    - s1artibartfast 2y ago
      I think that is closer, but still a strawman. I think the ethnic boundaries are more flexible than you portray. Immigration of diverse cultures are acceptable as long as they are not a cultural threat, and the target isn't zero.
9283409232 2y ago
This is a complicated issue because Republicans spent decades sabotaging the immigration system. If you're an immigrant trying to cross the border legally, you could spend years waiting for your hearing. Part of the reason illegal immigration is so high is because they make legal immigration near impossible.
jfengel 2y ago
Or we could just let more people be here legally. All we'd have to do is raise the quota. Do that, and I'd have zero problems rounding up all of the remaining illegal immigrants and driving 'em into the ocean, if that's what you want. Instead, I'm suspicious that "the only issue is that they're here illegally" is just deflection.
- 9283409232 2y ago
  I'm pro-legal immigration but this isn't as simple as "make number go up." Resources like houses and jobs are in finite supply and allowing more legal immigration without ensuring the needs of your citizens is a good way to increase anti-immigrant sentiment. The facts don't matter that immigrants do the jobs that Americans don't want.
  - jshen 2y ago
    Reducing illegal and legal immigration actually hurts "your citizens" in many ways as it stands today in America. The immigrants pay taxes into things like social security without getting the benefits. They also work on farms and if they go away prices will go up. The only solution to housing is building more housing.
sterlind 2y ago
> A majority of people are fine with legal migration an alarming number of legal aliens are being detained, deported or disappeared: students who wrote op-eds, Afghan asylees who helped us during the war, college professors and Canadian tourists, even (prospectively) "home-growns." if most Trump supporters support legal migration, why aren't they pushing back on this?
jshen 2y ago
Trump is aggressively deporting foreign students that were here legally. If you are only against illegal immigration you should speak out against things like this.

scarface_74 2y ago

As far as the Republican Party, statistics don’t back up the idea they are okay with legal immigration. https://globalaffairs.org/research/public-opinion-survey/republican-concerns-over-immigration-hit-all-time-high https://globalaffairs.org/research/public-opinion-survey/rep... In Florida, Desantis is so against legal migration he is trying to relax child labor laws. Even now there is a share of Republicans especially in southern states who are still against interracial marriages. https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/interracial-marriage-supreme-loving/tnamp/ https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/interracial-marri...

Jensson 2y ago
> As far as the Republican Party, statistics don’t back up the idea they are okay with legal immigration. I said majority of people, not majority of republicans. That means there are still many republicans that like legal immigration, wealthy people like when labor is allowed to immigrate, Elon Musk is one such person among many others. If Trump said he would deport all the legal immigrants he would likely not have won the election, that they are illegal is core to his support.
s1artibartfast 2y ago
>Half of Republicans (50%) say legal immigration into the United States should be decreased. This is a far shot from being against legal migration entirely.
- dragonwriter 2y ago
  > This is a far shot from being against legal migration entirely. Sure, its simply about preferring strong ethnic controls on immigration: while only 50% of Republicans think legal immigration should be decreased, 61% think that immigration "from other cultures" has mainly negative consequences. It's not that Republicans are against legal immigration entirely, its just that they are (in the majority) against any immigration from the places most immigrants come from; they are fine with legal immigration of white Christian conservatives, especially from the rest of the anglosphere.
  - s1artibartfast 2y ago
    I think that is closer, but still a strawman. I think the ethnic boundaries are more flexible than you portray. Immigration of diverse cultures are acceptable as long as they are not a cultural threat, and the target isn't zero.

9283409232 2y ago

This is a complicated issue because Republicans spent decades sabotaging the immigration system. If you're an immigrant trying to cross the border legally, you could spend years waiting for your hearing. Part of the reason illegal immigration is so high is because they make legal immigration near impossible.

jfengel 2y ago

Or we could just let more people be here legally. All we'd have to do is raise the quota. Do that, and I'd have zero problems rounding up all of the remaining illegal immigrants and driving 'em into the ocean, if that's what you want. Instead, I'm suspicious that "the only issue is that they're here illegally" is just deflection.

9283409232 2y ago
I'm pro-legal immigration but this isn't as simple as "make number go up." Resources like houses and jobs are in finite supply and allowing more legal immigration without ensuring the needs of your citizens is a good way to increase anti-immigrant sentiment. The facts don't matter that immigrants do the jobs that Americans don't want.
- jshen 2y ago
  Reducing illegal and legal immigration actually hurts "your citizens" in many ways as it stands today in America. The immigrants pay taxes into things like social security without getting the benefits. They also work on farms and if they go away prices will go up. The only solution to housing is building more housing.

sterlind 2y ago

> A majority of people are fine with legal migration an alarming number of legal aliens are being detained, deported or disappeared: students who wrote op-eds, Afghan asylees who helped us during the war, college professors and Canadian tourists, even (prospectively) "home-growns." if most Trump supporters support legal migration, why aren't they pushing back on this?

jshen 2y ago

Trump is aggressively deporting foreign students that were here legally. If you are only against illegal immigration you should speak out against things like this.