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Party composition changes over time, and the people who made up the KKK switched parties starting when JFK backed the civil rights movement. It's the right wing

Party composition changes over time, and the people who made up the KKK switched parties starting when JFK backed the civil rights movement. It's the right wing militias that are the spiritual successors to the KKK, not the Democratic party. As much as I wish we had a Republican party that was an actual successor to Lincoln's, that's not how political parties work. https://economics.princeton.edu/working-papers/why-did-the-democrats-lose-the-south-bringing-new-data-to-an-old-debate/ https://economics.princeton.edu/working-papers/why-did-the-d...

esbranson 1y ago
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- lolinder 1y ago
  I said the process started with JFK. Trump moved the needle a lot in the last 8 years, too, so it clearly wasn't finished then either and probably still hasn't finished, because parties are messy dynamic things that change all the time. I never saw myself voting Democrat until 2016, yet here we are three elections later and it's looking like I'd better settle in.
- dragonwriter 1y ago
  > > Party composition changes over time, and the people who made up the KKK switched parties starting when JFK backed the civil rights movement. > George "segregation forever" Wallace got a number of votes at the 1976 Democratic National Convention 1.89% of the votes, yes. "Starting when" doesn't mean "immediately completed on" (the mainly civil rights-related phase of the unusually long overlapping realignment period that started with the New Deal, as well as the realignment period itself, completed around the mid-1990s; if you wanted to stake a specific endpoint marker for it, immediately after the 1994 midterm elections is probably the best point.) > and controlled that Party well into the 1980s. George Wallace obviously never "controlled" the Democratic Party, and certainly not into the 1980s. (Now the state party in Alabama, sure, but the state party and the national party are not the same thing.) > As much as we don't want it to be, it's the same Democratic Party. It's not, and you can tell it is not by seeing which of the major parties people waving confederate flags and openly preaching white supremacy demonstrate for and advocate for and turn out for on election day. That's how political realignments work.
- exe34 1y ago
  so 55-80 years ago... anything more recent?
  - esbranson 1y ago
    Robert Byrd dropping N-bombs into the 21st century.
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esbranson 1y ago

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lolinder 1y ago
I said the process started with JFK. Trump moved the needle a lot in the last 8 years, too, so it clearly wasn't finished then either and probably still hasn't finished, because parties are messy dynamic things that change all the time. I never saw myself voting Democrat until 2016, yet here we are three elections later and it's looking like I'd better settle in.
dragonwriter 1y ago
> > Party composition changes over time, and the people who made up the KKK switched parties starting when JFK backed the civil rights movement. > George "segregation forever" Wallace got a number of votes at the 1976 Democratic National Convention 1.89% of the votes, yes. "Starting when" doesn't mean "immediately completed on" (the mainly civil rights-related phase of the unusually long overlapping realignment period that started with the New Deal, as well as the realignment period itself, completed around the mid-1990s; if you wanted to stake a specific endpoint marker for it, immediately after the 1994 midterm elections is probably the best point.) > and controlled that Party well into the 1980s. George Wallace obviously never "controlled" the Democratic Party, and certainly not into the 1980s. (Now the state party in Alabama, sure, but the state party and the national party are not the same thing.) > As much as we don't want it to be, it's the same Democratic Party. It's not, and you can tell it is not by seeing which of the major parties people waving confederate flags and openly preaching white supremacy demonstrate for and advocate for and turn out for on election day. That's how political realignments work.
exe34 1y ago
so 55-80 years ago... anything more recent?
- esbranson 1y ago
  Robert Byrd dropping N-bombs into the 21st century.
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