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why do you think the people willing to be a part of the armed militias you mention are NOT on the same way of thinking as what ICE is attempting to do. that's j

why do you think the people willing to be a part of the armed militias you mention are NOT on the same way of thinking as what ICE is attempting to do. that's just how the militia types tend to lean, so I don't think this would have the effect you're looking for

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> that's just how the militia types tend to lean So far. I don’t think you’d have trouble recruiting an educated, well-regulated militia from folks who believe in the rule of law.
- totalkikedeath 2y ago
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- exe34 2y ago
  you'd be declared an illegal immigrant and removed to hotel salvador pretty quickly at this point. The orangefuhrer has already said he's coming after the "homegrown" next.
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  - goatlover 2y ago
    At what point will Democratic state governors and legislatures have enough of autocratic takeover? States have their own National Guard.
    - dylan604 2y ago
      While I'm not familiar with all 50 governors, I'm wondering if there might not be some Republican governors that think things have gone too far as well. Being a Republican does not mean you are in favor of autocracy. It just looks like that right now because nobody is sticking their necks out, but I'm holding onto hope that if it does get to that point, further resistance might come out.
    - selimthegrim 2y ago
      You might want a State Guard, which might be a little harder to federalize than the National Guard
    - johnnyanmac 2y ago
      we'll see if/when the lawsuits lauched against the administration is ignored by the administration. But no one wants a civil war. No one would win here except maybe China/Russia.
      - dylan604 2y ago
        You discount the people that want to watch the world burn. The tree of...fed with blood...blah blah blah. "Burn it down, start over" is often touted as the fastest/best approach for wholesale changes when the friction to making change is too great. Economically, China would probably be the biggest beneficiary to a US civil war, especially one that ended with 2 Americas with neither the strength of the former union. Russia would just love to see the chaos and reap whatever gains they could get as well.
kcatskcolbdi 2y ago
and something tells me the side that spent decades demonizing firearm ownership probably can't win an arms race against their ideological opponents.
- dylan604 2y ago
  didn't think of that salient detail
- sophacles 2y ago
  What a strange set of ideas presented in such a small sentence fragment. * Very few people demonize gun ownership. They just want some laws preventing criminals from owning guns. * Guns are very easy to obtain, the "arms race" is a trip to the local sporting goods store. Sure, the weapon may not be super tacti-cool with a bunch of skulls and shit, but I'm pretty sure that even without all the virtue signalling decals it does the primary job just fine.
  - dylan604 2y ago
    Do you think those that have been opposed to current gun laws would be nearly as proficient at the use of their newly acquired weapon as opposed to those that have been collecting them for years? This just made up militia will be woefully untrained to handle anything. At least those that have their meeting in the woods practice to whatever extent they do, but that would be so much more than this recent trip to the sporting goods store. Whether you want to quibble over the words demonize, there are a lot of people that do not interpret the constitution to mean that just any ol' body can own a gun to the extent we allow today. The well regulated militia is part of that amendment, and gets left out quite conveniently. The local police departments are closer to the idea of a well regulated militia. The national guard are even closer of a match to me. The guys that run around in the woods believe they are fulfilling that role, but nobody really thinks they are well regulated other than whatever rules they choose to operate. Personally, I do not think that what we have today with the NRA and what not is what the framers had in mind. So you complain about demonizing being wrong and clearly on one end of the spectrum. I think that the NRA refusing any limits on guns is clearly the other end of that spectrum
Teever 2y ago
https://old.reddit.com/r/liberalgunowners/ https://old.reddit.com/r/liberalgunowners/ is a thing. Lots of people with a variety of political stripes own guns and are just less vocal about it.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> that's just how the militia types tend to lean So far. I don’t think you’d have trouble recruiting an educated, well-regulated militia from folks who believe in the rule of law.

totalkikedeath 2y ago
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exe34 2y ago
you'd be declared an illegal immigrant and removed to hotel salvador pretty quickly at this point. The orangefuhrer has already said he's coming after the "homegrown" next.
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- goatlover 2y ago
  At what point will Democratic state governors and legislatures have enough of autocratic takeover? States have their own National Guard.
  - dylan604 2y ago
    While I'm not familiar with all 50 governors, I'm wondering if there might not be some Republican governors that think things have gone too far as well. Being a Republican does not mean you are in favor of autocracy. It just looks like that right now because nobody is sticking their necks out, but I'm holding onto hope that if it does get to that point, further resistance might come out.
  - selimthegrim 2y ago
    You might want a State Guard, which might be a little harder to federalize than the National Guard
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    we'll see if/when the lawsuits lauched against the administration is ignored by the administration. But no one wants a civil war. No one would win here except maybe China/Russia.
    - dylan604 2y ago
      You discount the people that want to watch the world burn. The tree of...fed with blood...blah blah blah. "Burn it down, start over" is often touted as the fastest/best approach for wholesale changes when the friction to making change is too great. Economically, China would probably be the biggest beneficiary to a US civil war, especially one that ended with 2 Americas with neither the strength of the former union. Russia would just love to see the chaos and reap whatever gains they could get as well.

kcatskcolbdi 2y ago

and something tells me the side that spent decades demonizing firearm ownership probably can't win an arms race against their ideological opponents.

dylan604 2y ago
didn't think of that salient detail
sophacles 2y ago
What a strange set of ideas presented in such a small sentence fragment. * Very few people demonize gun ownership. They just want some laws preventing criminals from owning guns. * Guns are very easy to obtain, the "arms race" is a trip to the local sporting goods store. Sure, the weapon may not be super tacti-cool with a bunch of skulls and shit, but I'm pretty sure that even without all the virtue signalling decals it does the primary job just fine.
- dylan604 2y ago
  Do you think those that have been opposed to current gun laws would be nearly as proficient at the use of their newly acquired weapon as opposed to those that have been collecting them for years? This just made up militia will be woefully untrained to handle anything. At least those that have their meeting in the woods practice to whatever extent they do, but that would be so much more than this recent trip to the sporting goods store. Whether you want to quibble over the words demonize, there are a lot of people that do not interpret the constitution to mean that just any ol' body can own a gun to the extent we allow today. The well regulated militia is part of that amendment, and gets left out quite conveniently. The local police departments are closer to the idea of a well regulated militia. The national guard are even closer of a match to me. The guys that run around in the woods believe they are fulfilling that role, but nobody really thinks they are well regulated other than whatever rules they choose to operate. Personally, I do not think that what we have today with the NRA and what not is what the framers had in mind. So you complain about demonizing being wrong and clearly on one end of the spectrum. I think that the NRA refusing any limits on guns is clearly the other end of that spectrum

Teever 2y ago

https://old.reddit.com/r/liberalgunowners/ https://old.reddit.com/r/liberalgunowners/ is a thing. Lots of people with a variety of political stripes own guns and are just less vocal about it.