They certainly are for me, working but horribly designed java projects done by plsql devs were a proper eyeballs bleeding long into the night. Absolutely 0 fra

They certainly are for me, working but horribly designed java projects done by plsql devs were a proper eyeballs bleeding long into the night. Absolutely 0 framework or libs, nothing even for logging. Code architecture that would be left in the dust by most university semester projects. This is how plsql codebases look, but boy Java (and rest of the world) moved quite far since 1995.