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So go read up enough that you can then. It really doesn't take a law degree or unreasonable time. More constructive use of your time than arguing for something

by 3np 1y ago

So go read up enough that you can then. It really doesn't take a law degree or unreasonable time. More constructive use of your time than arguing for something completely ungrounded (unless spreading doubt is actually your goal here).

firesteelrain 1y ago
I am trying to have a reasoned conversation rather than jump to conclusions.
- ceejayoz 1y ago
  Or, you could take five minutes, skim the texts, and come to the obvious conclusion that “we attack Yemen with F-18s at this specific time, and have surveillance on one of the targets at his usual location” would be definitely be classified.
  - firesteelrain 1y ago
    The one you are referring to was prior to his confirmation and he wouldn’t be privy to anything but open source information. The other was proven not to contain classified info. Not a fan of using Signal, but we have to accurate about what happened
    - ceejayoz 1y ago
      Bullshit. Hegseth was confirmed Jan 24. https://apnews.com/article/pete-hegseth-defense-secretary-trump-cabinet-confirmation-12491935023692bce0a04d149663e784 https://apnews.com/article/pete-hegseth-defense-secretary-tr... The attack on Yemen and the group chat was in March. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/signal-group-chat-attack-plans-hegseth-goldberg/682176/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/signal-... Its contents were undoubtedly classified.
      - firesteelrain 1y ago
        Unless you can point me at a security classification guide then it’s a moot point. MSM is reaching again. These are all hit pieces. I can’t evaluate something objectively without a security classification guide. Everyone here is confusing classified and op sec which can overlap but also cannot. No one here can point me to say what he reportedly did was release classified info. We also don’t know if the President who has the ultimate classification authority will allow it either.
        ceejayoz 1y ago
        You're clearly not posting in good faith, so this reply is mainly for passers-by. > Unless you can point me at a security classification guide… I can’t evaluate something objectively without a security classification guide. Yeah, I see someone else clued you in to their existence upthread. Here's an example of one: https://www.nsa.gov/portals/75/documents/news-features/declassified-documents/friedman-documents/panel-committee-board/FOLDER_380/41764259080338.pdf https://www.nsa.gov/portals/75/documents/news-features/decla... It's not a "laundry list of what's classified". It's how you determine what needs to be classified. The DOD's classification guides will absolutely deem information of this nature - attack timing, specific aircraft, intelligence details indicating tracking and confirmation of specific targets, etc. - to be classified. (They are also, themselves, classified information. For you to get access to the specific one here, it'd have to be voluntarily declassified... by the folks currently trying to cover their asses. Example here: https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/FOIA/DF-2015-00044%20(Doc1).pdf https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/FOIA/DF-2015-00044%20(Do... - note the SECRET//NOFORN original classification of it, and "The public release of the Guide or any portion of the Guide is prohibited." on page 7.) > These are all hit pieces. How did you evaluate that objectively without a guide? In what world would "1345: 'Trigger Based' F-18 1st Strike Window Starts (Target Terrorist is @ his Known Location so SHOULD BE ON TIME — also, Strike Drones Launch (MQ-9s)" not be a piece of classified information? If revealed, every likely target in Yemen would be potentially forewarned. https://apnews.com/article/hegseth-leaks-signal-trump-classified-09f58fa650e44f740c9416c3e6997f5b https://apnews.com/article/hegseth-leaks-signal-trump-classi... "NBC News first reported that the launch times and bomb drop times of U.S. warplanes about to strike Houthi targets in Yemen — details multiple officials have said are highly classified — came from the secure channel." https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2025/03/26/obviously-classified-experts-say-hegseth-chat-leaks-invited-danger/ https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2025/03... "'This information was clearly taken from the real time order of battle sequence of an ongoing operation. It is highly classified and protected,' said Mick Mulroy, a former Marine who was the Pentagon’s top official for Middle East policy during the first Trump administration."
- 3np 1y ago
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firesteelrain 1y ago

I am trying to have a reasoned conversation rather than jump to conclusions.

ceejayoz 1y ago
Or, you could take five minutes, skim the texts, and come to the obvious conclusion that “we attack Yemen with F-18s at this specific time, and have surveillance on one of the targets at his usual location” would be definitely be classified.
- firesteelrain 1y ago
  The one you are referring to was prior to his confirmation and he wouldn’t be privy to anything but open source information. The other was proven not to contain classified info. Not a fan of using Signal, but we have to accurate about what happened
  - ceejayoz 1y ago
    Bullshit. Hegseth was confirmed Jan 24. https://apnews.com/article/pete-hegseth-defense-secretary-trump-cabinet-confirmation-12491935023692bce0a04d149663e784 https://apnews.com/article/pete-hegseth-defense-secretary-tr... The attack on Yemen and the group chat was in March. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/signal-group-chat-attack-plans-hegseth-goldberg/682176/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/signal-... Its contents were undoubtedly classified.
    - firesteelrain 1y ago
      Unless you can point me at a security classification guide then it’s a moot point. MSM is reaching again. These are all hit pieces. I can’t evaluate something objectively without a security classification guide. Everyone here is confusing classified and op sec which can overlap but also cannot. No one here can point me to say what he reportedly did was release classified info. We also don’t know if the President who has the ultimate classification authority will allow it either.
      - ceejayoz 1y ago
        You're clearly not posting in good faith, so this reply is mainly for passers-by. > Unless you can point me at a security classification guide… I can’t evaluate something objectively without a security classification guide. Yeah, I see someone else clued you in to their existence upthread. Here's an example of one: https://www.nsa.gov/portals/75/documents/news-features/declassified-documents/friedman-documents/panel-committee-board/FOLDER_380/41764259080338.pdf https://www.nsa.gov/portals/75/documents/news-features/decla... It's not a "laundry list of what's classified". It's how you determine what needs to be classified. The DOD's classification guides will absolutely deem information of this nature - attack timing, specific aircraft, intelligence details indicating tracking and confirmation of specific targets, etc. - to be classified. (They are also, themselves, classified information. For you to get access to the specific one here, it'd have to be voluntarily declassified... by the folks currently trying to cover their asses. Example here: https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/FOIA/DF-2015-00044%20(Doc1).pdf https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/FOIA/DF-2015-00044%20(Do... - note the SECRET//NOFORN original classification of it, and "The public release of the Guide or any portion of the Guide is prohibited." on page 7.) > These are all hit pieces. How did you evaluate that objectively without a guide? In what world would "1345: 'Trigger Based' F-18 1st Strike Window Starts (Target Terrorist is @ his Known Location so SHOULD BE ON TIME — also, Strike Drones Launch (MQ-9s)" not be a piece of classified information? If revealed, every likely target in Yemen would be potentially forewarned. https://apnews.com/article/hegseth-leaks-signal-trump-classified-09f58fa650e44f740c9416c3e6997f5b https://apnews.com/article/hegseth-leaks-signal-trump-classi... "NBC News first reported that the launch times and bomb drop times of U.S. warplanes about to strike Houthi targets in Yemen — details multiple officials have said are highly classified — came from the secure channel." https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2025/03/26/obviously-classified-experts-say-hegseth-chat-leaks-invited-danger/ https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2025/03... "'This information was clearly taken from the real time order of battle sequence of an ongoing operation. It is highly classified and protected,' said Mick Mulroy, a former Marine who was the Pentagon’s top official for Middle East policy during the first Trump administration."
3np 1y ago
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