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Exactly. As quoted in the article: > you didn't coordinate with anyone. You didn't search lore for the warning strings, you didn't even check -next where you'v

Exactly. As quoted in the article: > you didn't coordinate with anyone. You didn't search lore for the warning strings, you didn't even check -next where you've now created merge conflicts. You put insufficiently tested patches into the tree at the last minute and cut an rc release that broke for everyone using GCC <15. You mercilessly flame maintainers for much much less. Hypocrisy is an even worse trait than flaming people.

genewitch 2y ago
On the one hand, sure, fine. He has raked people for less. However this is just an RC. Further, how long has Linus been doing this? I remember Maddox on xmission having a page explaining that while he may make a grammatical error from time to time, he has published literally hundreds of thousands of words, and the average email he receives contains 10% errors. However, Linus is well-known for being abrasive, abusive, call it what you want. If you can't take it, don't foist it, Linus. Even if you've earned the right, IMO.
- 7bit 2y ago
  Nobody earns the right to be an asshole. That is nothing that can be earned.
  - wizzwizz4 2y ago
    I'd say if you're doing truly-heroic solo efforts, then you can earn that. (But I can only think of fictional examples.) For team efforts like the Linux kernel, sure, no amount of individual contribution to that project grants you the right to belittle the other contributors.
    - nick__m 2y ago
      Fabrice Bellard as earned that right but somehow I don't think he is !
      - wizzwizz4 2y ago
        Fabrice Bellard's work is impressive, but I wouldn't call it heroic. I was thinking more like, the grumpy-guts who ensures the local homeless shelter is adequately stocked with food, clean bedding, and toiletries, day-in and day-out, even in the depths of winter. You're allowed to be vaguely misanthropic in your interpersonal relationships if you're doing something like that, at least in my book. Again, the only non-fictional people I know who qualify, are actually really nice to people.
    - sanderjd 2y ago
      Still nope.
    - kelnos 2y ago
      This idea that if you've done great things, then you've earned the right to treat people poorly, needs to go away. It's toxic and gross, and we should expect and demand better of our heroes (and ourselves).
  - mannykannot 2y ago
    Indeed. On the other hand, the right to show that you are an asshole is available to anyone, and it has become quite popular!
deeThrow94 2y ago
> Hypocrisy is an even worse trait than flaming people. Eh I mean everyone's a hypocrite if you dig deep enough—we're all a big nest of contradictions internally. Recognition of this and accountability is paramount though. He could have simply owned his mistake and swallowed his pride and this wouldn't have been such an issue.

genewitch 2y ago

On the one hand, sure, fine. He has raked people for less. However this is just an RC. Further, how long has Linus been doing this? I remember Maddox on xmission having a page explaining that while he may make a grammatical error from time to time, he has published literally hundreds of thousands of words, and the average email he receives contains 10% errors. However, Linus is well-known for being abrasive, abusive, call it what you want. If you can't take it, don't foist it, Linus. Even if you've earned the right, IMO.

7bit 2y ago
Nobody earns the right to be an asshole. That is nothing that can be earned.
- wizzwizz4 2y ago
  I'd say if you're doing truly-heroic solo efforts, then you can earn that. (But I can only think of fictional examples.) For team efforts like the Linux kernel, sure, no amount of individual contribution to that project grants you the right to belittle the other contributors.
  - nick__m 2y ago
    Fabrice Bellard as earned that right but somehow I don't think he is !
    - wizzwizz4 2y ago
      Fabrice Bellard's work is impressive, but I wouldn't call it heroic. I was thinking more like, the grumpy-guts who ensures the local homeless shelter is adequately stocked with food, clean bedding, and toiletries, day-in and day-out, even in the depths of winter. You're allowed to be vaguely misanthropic in your interpersonal relationships if you're doing something like that, at least in my book. Again, the only non-fictional people I know who qualify, are actually really nice to people.
  - sanderjd 2y ago
    Still nope.
  - kelnos 2y ago
    This idea that if you've done great things, then you've earned the right to treat people poorly, needs to go away. It's toxic and gross, and we should expect and demand better of our heroes (and ourselves).
- mannykannot 2y ago
  Indeed. On the other hand, the right to show that you are an asshole is available to anyone, and it has become quite popular!

deeThrow94 2y ago

> Hypocrisy is an even worse trait than flaming people. Eh I mean everyone's a hypocrite if you dig deep enough—we're all a big nest of contradictions internally. Recognition of this and accountability is paramount though. He could have simply owned his mistake and swallowed his pride and this wouldn't have been such an issue.