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If California separated from the US, most of California would separate from California and rejoin the US. Read about the "State of Jefferson" movement, etc. T

If California separated from the US, most of California would separate from California and rejoin the US. Read about the "State of Jefferson" movement, etc. The Coastal cities in California are really a completely different place from the rest of the state, and the rest of the state is pretty dissatisfied with this union.

zippyman55 1y ago
The people in Jefferson County come off as pretty loony.
oblio 1y ago
That thing only has an estimated 3 million people, and that's including a lot of Oregon. Surprisingly, those Coastal cities have a lot of people (common theme in the US).
- hurray-sandbag 1y ago
  Those Coastal cities have lot of people, yes, but not a lot of land. It also isn't just north California, but also the east. Here, check out this map. https://www.politico.com/2024-election/results/california/ https://www.politico.com/2024-election/results/california/ It seems reasonable to expect all of the Trump-voting areas to stick with the United States. This would end up being more of a Hong Kong type situation, and less of a Taiwan-type situation. Without having any of it's own agriculture, and without being able to act as the middle-man for all of the trade between Asia and America, California would find itself in an extremely precarious situation.
  - hurray-sandbag 1y ago
    As soon as California left, it would be a very small, weak territory with almost no military capacity. And it would be home to some of the most important natural resources around, deep water ports in particular. Imagine that California was a separate country today. Military conquest by America would be an obvious course of action. The real outcome of this would be the transformation of the coastal cities into non-state US territories under military control, without no voting rights or citizenship. And that actually might be a pretty good outcome?

zippyman55 1y ago

The people in Jefferson County come off as pretty loony.

oblio 1y ago

That thing only has an estimated 3 million people, and that's including a lot of Oregon. Surprisingly, those Coastal cities have a lot of people (common theme in the US).

hurray-sandbag 1y ago
Those Coastal cities have lot of people, yes, but not a lot of land. It also isn't just north California, but also the east. Here, check out this map. https://www.politico.com/2024-election/results/california/ https://www.politico.com/2024-election/results/california/ It seems reasonable to expect all of the Trump-voting areas to stick with the United States. This would end up being more of a Hong Kong type situation, and less of a Taiwan-type situation. Without having any of it's own agriculture, and without being able to act as the middle-man for all of the trade between Asia and America, California would find itself in an extremely precarious situation.
- hurray-sandbag 1y ago
  As soon as California left, it would be a very small, weak territory with almost no military capacity. And it would be home to some of the most important natural resources around, deep water ports in particular. Imagine that California was a separate country today. Military conquest by America would be an obvious course of action. The real outcome of this would be the transformation of the coastal cities into non-state US territories under military control, without no voting rights or citizenship. And that actually might be a pretty good outcome?