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I bet the lack of screens makes it a no-go for a lot of truck drivers. Without a screen, and backup cameras, pickup truck drivers will find it much, much harder

I bet the lack of screens makes it a no-go for a lot of truck drivers. Without a screen, and backup cameras, pickup truck drivers will find it much, much harder to back into parking spots, especially the narrower parking spots in urban parking lots.

chvid 2y ago
Yes. A parking camera / screen is a straight up improvement compared to relying on windows and skill. People who complain about screens are usually not complaining about that but rather about common functionality that used to be a single physical button now is buried deep inside a buggy menu system.
- WarOnPrivacy 2y ago
  > Yes. A parking camera / screen is a straight up improvement compared to relying on windows and skill. Car screens and I don't get on. At all. For backing up, what works for me is a full check first and directly viewing while backing up, augmenting with mirrors. Eyes-on is me being as safe as I can possibly be.
  - sagarm 2y ago
    Yeah no that's how parents used to run over their own kids
    - 31337Logic 2y ago
      Now they're running over other people's kids due to being distracted by the screen.
    - WarOnPrivacy 2y ago
      > Yeah no that's how parents used to run over their own kids The Full-Check part is what prevents that. I also back-in to park. Pulling out compounds the safety.
    - Marsymars 2y ago
      For me, backing up precisely and not running over things are two different skills. I'll check the screen for obstacles, but find it much easier to use windows/mirrors for actually getting into the spot.
mixmastamyk 2y ago
Article mentions backup cam is required now. Still, can't think of a reason I'd back into a space in a parking lot. Don't think I ever have. If I needed to for some reason, I'd lower the tailgate.
- bediger4000 2y ago
  The majority of pickups I see in Denver and NoCo parking spots are backed in. This behavior seemed to come on very suddenly, maybe 3 years ago. I rarely saw it, and then suddenly, 3 out of 4 pickups are backed in. Puzzled me until I realized that a rearview camera with the green/yellow/red markings on the image made all the difference.
  - Marsymars 2y ago
    I started seeing a lot more vehicles backed into parking spots when parking enforcement started using automated plate readers.
- fsckboy 2y ago
  >Still, can't think of a reason I'd back into a space in a parking lot I back into spaces almost exclusively. reason: I see that I can do it when I arrive, and realize that exiting forward will be a breeze regardless of the future conditions (you are backing into an empty space, and forwarding into a space with other moving cars that are out of your control). it's one forward lap and one backward lap, same difference, in addition to which I find steerability/maneuverability is much better with the "steering" wheels in the back, because after you get the forward aligned to enter the slot, you can simply steer away after that.
  - anamax 2y ago
    You're ignoring differences in the size of the space and the ability of most drivers to back-up vs going-forward into a small space. >90% of the people who back in take much longer to back-in than they'd take to back-out because it takes them more time to back up with any accuracy. Head-in to the spot is just as fast as head-out into the lane because most people don't have any trouble going forward. The result is that back-in is a net time loss.
zelon88 2y ago
This particular truck pictured appears to have a footprint about the size of a Toyota Camry, but with far greater rear visibility due to the additional headroom and no rear seat.
- dharmab 2y ago
  It's much more common to park a truck backed in than a car, in order to load the bed e.g. from a loading ramp or dock. The backup camera is great for lining the bed right up to where you are rolling on the cargo. You _can_ do it without a camera, but the camera saves a ton of time.
defrost 2y ago
There's a niche here given the prevalance of smart phones. The last tow truck I took a ride on (modern, tilt tray, full lifts, etc) was operated by the driver who happily and easily juggled two phones ... he had one in a cradle, the other hand held, used the cradle one to look up routes, bid for jobs, and general map operations. At lights or when refueling he was talking on the free phone while cross referencing via text and map searches on the cradle phone. Additionally the truck console had screens for reversing, etc. Point being .. we live in a world where it reasonable to have physical control, screen free, relative "dumb" vehicle that still has a diagnostics bus and rear cameras and distance sensors that can accessed via the drivers phone or tablet. With cable | wifi and auth or some kind the operators smart device can upload music to the cars sound system and the vehicle can return infomation and visuals from sensors .. perhaps.

chvid 2y ago

Yes. A parking camera / screen is a straight up improvement compared to relying on windows and skill. People who complain about screens are usually not complaining about that but rather about common functionality that used to be a single physical button now is buried deep inside a buggy menu system.

WarOnPrivacy 2y ago
> Yes. A parking camera / screen is a straight up improvement compared to relying on windows and skill. Car screens and I don't get on. At all. For backing up, what works for me is a full check first and directly viewing while backing up, augmenting with mirrors. Eyes-on is me being as safe as I can possibly be.
- sagarm 2y ago
  Yeah no that's how parents used to run over their own kids
  - 31337Logic 2y ago
    Now they're running over other people's kids due to being distracted by the screen.
  - WarOnPrivacy 2y ago
    > Yeah no that's how parents used to run over their own kids The Full-Check part is what prevents that. I also back-in to park. Pulling out compounds the safety.
  - Marsymars 2y ago
    For me, backing up precisely and not running over things are two different skills. I'll check the screen for obstacles, but find it much easier to use windows/mirrors for actually getting into the spot.

mixmastamyk 2y ago

Article mentions backup cam is required now. Still, can't think of a reason I'd back into a space in a parking lot. Don't think I ever have. If I needed to for some reason, I'd lower the tailgate.

bediger4000 2y ago
The majority of pickups I see in Denver and NoCo parking spots are backed in. This behavior seemed to come on very suddenly, maybe 3 years ago. I rarely saw it, and then suddenly, 3 out of 4 pickups are backed in. Puzzled me until I realized that a rearview camera with the green/yellow/red markings on the image made all the difference.
- Marsymars 2y ago
  I started seeing a lot more vehicles backed into parking spots when parking enforcement started using automated plate readers.
fsckboy 2y ago
>Still, can't think of a reason I'd back into a space in a parking lot I back into spaces almost exclusively. reason: I see that I can do it when I arrive, and realize that exiting forward will be a breeze regardless of the future conditions (you are backing into an empty space, and forwarding into a space with other moving cars that are out of your control). it's one forward lap and one backward lap, same difference, in addition to which I find steerability/maneuverability is much better with the "steering" wheels in the back, because after you get the forward aligned to enter the slot, you can simply steer away after that.
- anamax 2y ago
  You're ignoring differences in the size of the space and the ability of most drivers to back-up vs going-forward into a small space. >90% of the people who back in take much longer to back-in than they'd take to back-out because it takes them more time to back up with any accuracy. Head-in to the spot is just as fast as head-out into the lane because most people don't have any trouble going forward. The result is that back-in is a net time loss.

zelon88 2y ago

This particular truck pictured appears to have a footprint about the size of a Toyota Camry, but with far greater rear visibility due to the additional headroom and no rear seat.

dharmab 2y ago
It's much more common to park a truck backed in than a car, in order to load the bed e.g. from a loading ramp or dock. The backup camera is great for lining the bed right up to where you are rolling on the cargo. You _can_ do it without a camera, but the camera saves a ton of time.

defrost 2y ago

There's a niche here given the prevalance of smart phones. The last tow truck I took a ride on (modern, tilt tray, full lifts, etc) was operated by the driver who happily and easily juggled two phones ... he had one in a cradle, the other hand held, used the cradle one to look up routes, bid for jobs, and general map operations. At lights or when refueling he was talking on the free phone while cross referencing via text and map searches on the cradle phone. Additionally the truck console had screens for reversing, etc. Point being .. we live in a world where it reasonable to have physical control, screen free, relative "dumb" vehicle that still has a diagnostics bus and rear cameras and distance sensors that can accessed via the drivers phone or tablet. With cable | wifi and auth or some kind the operators smart device can upload music to the cars sound system and the vehicle can return infomation and visuals from sensors .. perhaps.