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The term loyalty is dangerous for an employee. Having seen companies of all sizes lay people off for the exact same reason - Returns did not match expectations

The term loyalty is dangerous for an employee. Having seen companies of all sizes lay people off for the exact same reason - Returns did not match expectations - my personal perspective is to treat all employers the same. No company with a balance sheet is loyal to employees. Keeping that idea in mind, and thus on an equal perspective, is healthy for both sides. "It's just business" is good advice and not just in movies.

mystraline 1y ago
I applied to a job in the 'Who's Hiring' thread this month. Had an interview. I'm a professional good at my craft, with tenure at hard positions. I get hit with "we don't just want someone who checks in does work and leaves, 9 to 5". Like, are you wanting 60h/week and pay 40h/week? Or is this you're not wanting a slacker? Or better yet, since you want skin in the game on my side, what's my equity as a partner? My understanding is that I shop up and work well, and you pay me. And I'm in an at-will employment state, so it really is 1 day at a time. Loyalty is bought at 1 day increments, since that is all the loyalty is afforded to me. However, I will definitely lie, since no recruiter or HR wants to admit that their candidate is here because you pay. Its the verboten secret everyone dances around.
- ivape 1y ago
  That sounds disgusting. Thank you for sharing that. Why don't they just advertise "Over-time expected and over-time compensation provided"?
  - bluefirebrand 1y ago
    Most likely because they expect overtime but won't compensate overtime So they are hoping to hire someone who will do it for free
    - mystraline 1y ago
      I couldn't get an exact good gauge on what their aim was. They made a point at 'work-life balance', decent but not great PTO. Pay was from 150-300, but glassdoor shows around 175. It did have on call, but my profession does. But the conversation was weird - what were they REALLY asking for that they couldn't outright say? Were they trying to ask if I have a family and obligations? Pregnant wife? Willingness to slave away hours above my negotiated pay? It definitely felt strange. This is a job, not a calling. And they would 'transact' (read: fire) me just as fast if the economics didn't pan out.
- kermatt 1y ago
  > "we don't just want someone who checks in does work and leaves, 9 to 5" I do. I want people to work a normal day. The alternative is they run into a wall of fatigue at the worst times, and call out sick. I can plan a project around five 8 hour days a week. I can't plan around 60+ hours one week, and (unknown) hours some future week.

mystraline 1y ago

I applied to a job in the 'Who's Hiring' thread this month. Had an interview. I'm a professional good at my craft, with tenure at hard positions. I get hit with "we don't just want someone who checks in does work and leaves, 9 to 5". Like, are you wanting 60h/week and pay 40h/week? Or is this you're not wanting a slacker? Or better yet, since you want skin in the game on my side, what's my equity as a partner? My understanding is that I shop up and work well, and you pay me. And I'm in an at-will employment state, so it really is 1 day at a time. Loyalty is bought at 1 day increments, since that is all the loyalty is afforded to me. However, I will definitely lie, since no recruiter or HR wants to admit that their candidate is here because you pay. Its the verboten secret everyone dances around.

ivape 1y ago
That sounds disgusting. Thank you for sharing that. Why don't they just advertise "Over-time expected and over-time compensation provided"?
- bluefirebrand 1y ago
  Most likely because they expect overtime but won't compensate overtime So they are hoping to hire someone who will do it for free
  - mystraline 1y ago
    I couldn't get an exact good gauge on what their aim was. They made a point at 'work-life balance', decent but not great PTO. Pay was from 150-300, but glassdoor shows around 175. It did have on call, but my profession does. But the conversation was weird - what were they REALLY asking for that they couldn't outright say? Were they trying to ask if I have a family and obligations? Pregnant wife? Willingness to slave away hours above my negotiated pay? It definitely felt strange. This is a job, not a calling. And they would 'transact' (read: fire) me just as fast if the economics didn't pan out.
kermatt 1y ago
> "we don't just want someone who checks in does work and leaves, 9 to 5" I do. I want people to work a normal day. The alternative is they run into a wall of fatigue at the worst times, and call out sick. I can plan a project around five 8 hour days a week. I can't plan around 60+ hours one week, and (unknown) hours some future week.