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Looking at what's missing from their roadmap here: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/ https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/ No videos? Fine, I rarely take videos.

Looking at what's missing from their roadmap here: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/ https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/ No videos? Fine, I rarely take videos. No bluetooth? Mildly annoying, but especially with the 3.5mm jack, I could live without it. No GPS? This one would be a deal-breaker for me. But depending on the person I can see it being usable.

AAAAaccountAAAA 2y ago
Ouch. It seems to be even more incomplete than I thought. The lack of Bluetooth and GPS is kind of surprising, since those things have worked on Linux laptops for at least a couple of decades or so.
- seba_dos1 2y ago
  Both work fine on Librem 5 as well and have worked for years now.
  - brewdad 2y ago
    Then why haven't they updated their site to inform potential users? It would make me worry it's about to be an abandoned project. I've dealt with enough of those in my life.
teddyh 2y ago
That image is seriously out of date. Bluetooth, GPS, and even recording video all work fine.
- seba_dos1 2y ago
  Video recording implementation could be better though, but other stuff works well indeed :) In fact all things from that chart are there and have been there for years now, including 20h battery life and encrypted SIP calls.
  - pengaru 2y ago
    20h battery life? Mine comes nowhere close to that with all hw switches off and only playing mp3's... Are you quoting a when suspended figure or something?
    - seba_dos1 2y ago
      It can get up to 20h either when idle with all hw switches off or when suspended with the modem on (less with poor signal coverage, of course). Looking at a power meter right now I'd roughly expect at least 12h of music playback.
      - pengaru 2y ago
        Using the latest greatest stock pureOS? My L5 gets nowhere near that listening to MP3s on road trips.
        seba_dos1 2y ago
        Check whether you get a high load average whenever Wi-Fi kill switch is off. If so, keeping it on and turning Wi-Fi off in software may give you better results. There are patches to fix that, but they need more work not to cause troubles with older cards (Redpine). There was also another issue that may have caused interrupt storms when kill switches were set to off, but that has been already fixed recently. There are some small power consumption improvements coming in kernel updates soon too, though these shouldn't make a drastic difference, just an extra hour or so.
- margalabargala 2y ago
  That's great to know; but Purism really ought update that, I'm sure they are losing sales from that being so out of date.
jasode 2y ago
>No bluetooth? Mildly annoying, but especially with the 3.5mm jack, I could live without it. For most people, it can be difficult to predict future scenarios for Bluetooth that's unrelated to wireless earphones. I always use wired earphones and didn't think I ever needed Bluetooth and always had it disabled. However, I was later forced to use it to configure new devices. E.g.: - internet router (Eero) from ISP has no buttons or a status display so required Bluetooth on smartphone to configure it - battery backup power station (Delta Ecoflow) require Bluetooth to configure them The common theme is for device manufacturers to avoid adding elaborate LCD displays or touchscreen interfaces to the actual device and instead -- offload the configuration UI to the customers' smartphones... which necessitates pairing via Bluetooth.
- amlib 2y ago
  > offload the configuration UI to the customers' smartphones... which necessitates pairing via Bluetooth. And an app that eventually gets delisted or whatever and your interfaceless device gets turned into a pumpkin...
  - dzhiurgis 2y ago
    At least we can hope - https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Web_Bluetooth_API https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Web_Bluetoo... Last week for the first time I've used WebUSB to configure flight controller for my drone/wing. Felt like magic.

AAAAaccountAAAA 2y ago

Ouch. It seems to be even more incomplete than I thought. The lack of Bluetooth and GPS is kind of surprising, since those things have worked on Linux laptops for at least a couple of decades or so.

seba_dos1 2y ago
Both work fine on Librem 5 as well and have worked for years now.
- brewdad 2y ago
  Then why haven't they updated their site to inform potential users? It would make me worry it's about to be an abandoned project. I've dealt with enough of those in my life.

teddyh 2y ago

That image is seriously out of date. Bluetooth, GPS, and even recording video all work fine.

seba_dos1 2y ago
Video recording implementation could be better though, but other stuff works well indeed :) In fact all things from that chart are there and have been there for years now, including 20h battery life and encrypted SIP calls.
- pengaru 2y ago
  20h battery life? Mine comes nowhere close to that with all hw switches off and only playing mp3's... Are you quoting a when suspended figure or something?
  - seba_dos1 2y ago
    It can get up to 20h either when idle with all hw switches off or when suspended with the modem on (less with poor signal coverage, of course). Looking at a power meter right now I'd roughly expect at least 12h of music playback.
    - pengaru 2y ago
      Using the latest greatest stock pureOS? My L5 gets nowhere near that listening to MP3s on road trips.
      - seba_dos1 2y ago
        Check whether you get a high load average whenever Wi-Fi kill switch is off. If so, keeping it on and turning Wi-Fi off in software may give you better results. There are patches to fix that, but they need more work not to cause troubles with older cards (Redpine). There was also another issue that may have caused interrupt storms when kill switches were set to off, but that has been already fixed recently. There are some small power consumption improvements coming in kernel updates soon too, though these shouldn't make a drastic difference, just an extra hour or so.
margalabargala 2y ago
That's great to know; but Purism really ought update that, I'm sure they are losing sales from that being so out of date.

jasode 2y ago

>No bluetooth? Mildly annoying, but especially with the 3.5mm jack, I could live without it. For most people, it can be difficult to predict future scenarios for Bluetooth that's unrelated to wireless earphones. I always use wired earphones and didn't think I ever needed Bluetooth and always had it disabled. However, I was later forced to use it to configure new devices. E.g.: - internet router (Eero) from ISP has no buttons or a status display so required Bluetooth on smartphone to configure it - battery backup power station (Delta Ecoflow) require Bluetooth to configure them The common theme is for device manufacturers to avoid adding elaborate LCD displays or touchscreen interfaces to the actual device and instead -- offload the configuration UI to the customers' smartphones... which necessitates pairing via Bluetooth.

amlib 2y ago
> offload the configuration UI to the customers' smartphones... which necessitates pairing via Bluetooth. And an app that eventually gets delisted or whatever and your interfaceless device gets turned into a pumpkin...
- dzhiurgis 2y ago
  At least we can hope - https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Web_Bluetooth_API https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Web_Bluetoo... Last week for the first time I've used WebUSB to configure flight controller for my drone/wing. Felt like magic.