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> multi-government lab What are you talking about? The Wuhan Institute of Virology is firmly located on sovereign Chinese territory. In fact, the main reason w

> multi-government lab What are you talking about? The Wuhan Institute of Virology is firmly located on sovereign Chinese territory. In fact, the main reason why any serious scientist should still give the lab leak theory the time of day is due to the fact that China was so cagey with what was going on at the WIV. If this lab was multi-governmental we would have the data China withheld and the lab leak theory wouldn't have any shadow to lie in. Furthermore, the real problem with the lab leak theory is that it does not matter whether or not it is true. If COVID-19 originated from animal sources, then we should regulate wet markets, crack down on the endangered animal trade, and stop doing gain-of-function research. If COVID-19 originated from a lab, then we should stop doing gain-of-function research, regulate wet markets, and crack down on the endangered animal trade. All of those things are very prudent things to do if you want to slow down the introduction of novel pathogens.

_mlbt 2y ago
Other than politics why would you believe any other scenario to be more likely than the lab leak hypothesis at this point? It’s far too much of a coincidence that patient zero was in such close proximity to the WIV that studies and researches viruses exactly like COVID-19. The actions of the CCP and those aligned with their interests just further cements the likelihood of this hypothesis.
- j7ake 2y ago
  The evidence favors spread from market: Here is a review paper of all the evidence so far: https://www.annualreviews.org/content/journals/10.1146/annurev-virology-093022-013037 https://www.annualreviews.org/content/journals/10.1146/annur...
  - _mlbt 2y ago
    Not true, there is significant evidence that actually favors the lab leak hypothesis… https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2025/03/28/covid-19_the_evidence_lopsidedly_favors_a_lab_leak_1100436.html https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2025/03/28/covid-1... Additionally the Biden administration and other world governments suppressed the lab leak hypothesis which means that researchers seeking government funding had an incentive to support the official wet market narrative instead… https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/5058339-biden-administration-suppressed-dissent/ https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/5058339-biden-adminis...
    - j7ake 2y ago
      The only paper they cite was the bat virus paper in cell, which isn’t evidence for lab leak. The review paper I mentioned shows dozens of papers showing evidence of market as initial spread.
- ahazred8ta 2y ago
  Because the closest relative of the sars-cov-2 virus is found in animals in Thailand, and just before the pandemic, exotic animals from Thailand were imported directly to the Wuhan wet market, which was a regional hub for importing animals. The WIV lab did not have a copy of that virus. The original sars-cov-1 virus emerged at an animal farm upriver from Hong Kong. The MERS virus emerged at a camel farm. Seeing a pattern yet?
  - _mlbt 2y ago
    > The WIV lab did not have a copy of that virus. According to the CCP, whose version of the events cannot be trusted. The reality is that they had the time, means, and motivation to destroy any samples and records related to COVID. Also speaking of patterns, the WIV has a history of safety lapses and was known to be working with SARS family viruses in BSL-2 labs, which are wholly inadequate.
    - ahazred8ta 2y ago
      According to the Thai virus researchers who did not even discover the related virus for the first time until the year AFTER tbe pandemic started. So no, unless someone has a time machine the WIV did not have a sample in 2019. The consensus of the international virus research community is that the WIV did NOT have a sample of the covid-precursor virus. Animals infected with the Thai virus were imported from Thailand to the Wuhan wet market. People on the north side of the river within 100 meters of the wet market got sick. People on the south side of the river within 15km of the WIV did not get sick. We are not relying on the CCP for the information that people on the south side of the river did not get sick. There were foreign citizens living south of the river and we got our information from them.

_mlbt 2y ago

Other than politics why would you believe any other scenario to be more likely than the lab leak hypothesis at this point? It’s far too much of a coincidence that patient zero was in such close proximity to the WIV that studies and researches viruses exactly like COVID-19. The actions of the CCP and those aligned with their interests just further cements the likelihood of this hypothesis.

j7ake 2y ago
The evidence favors spread from market: Here is a review paper of all the evidence so far: https://www.annualreviews.org/content/journals/10.1146/annurev-virology-093022-013037 https://www.annualreviews.org/content/journals/10.1146/annur...
- _mlbt 2y ago
  Not true, there is significant evidence that actually favors the lab leak hypothesis… https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2025/03/28/covid-19_the_evidence_lopsidedly_favors_a_lab_leak_1100436.html https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2025/03/28/covid-1... Additionally the Biden administration and other world governments suppressed the lab leak hypothesis which means that researchers seeking government funding had an incentive to support the official wet market narrative instead… https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/5058339-biden-administration-suppressed-dissent/ https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/5058339-biden-adminis...
  - j7ake 2y ago
    The only paper they cite was the bat virus paper in cell, which isn’t evidence for lab leak. The review paper I mentioned shows dozens of papers showing evidence of market as initial spread.
ahazred8ta 2y ago
Because the closest relative of the sars-cov-2 virus is found in animals in Thailand, and just before the pandemic, exotic animals from Thailand were imported directly to the Wuhan wet market, which was a regional hub for importing animals. The WIV lab did not have a copy of that virus. The original sars-cov-1 virus emerged at an animal farm upriver from Hong Kong. The MERS virus emerged at a camel farm. Seeing a pattern yet?
- _mlbt 2y ago
  > The WIV lab did not have a copy of that virus. According to the CCP, whose version of the events cannot be trusted. The reality is that they had the time, means, and motivation to destroy any samples and records related to COVID. Also speaking of patterns, the WIV has a history of safety lapses and was known to be working with SARS family viruses in BSL-2 labs, which are wholly inadequate.
  - ahazred8ta 2y ago
    According to the Thai virus researchers who did not even discover the related virus for the first time until the year AFTER tbe pandemic started. So no, unless someone has a time machine the WIV did not have a sample in 2019. The consensus of the international virus research community is that the WIV did NOT have a sample of the covid-precursor virus. Animals infected with the Thai virus were imported from Thailand to the Wuhan wet market. People on the north side of the river within 100 meters of the wet market got sick. People on the south side of the river within 15km of the WIV did not get sick. We are not relying on the CCP for the information that people on the south side of the river did not get sick. There were foreign citizens living south of the river and we got our information from them.